I have been told that you can calculate personal handicaps using sailwave but I have no idea how to do this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest PY’s from the RYA, there are a few differences in particular to the standard rig and radial rig lasers, its not a big change but it has changed so if anyone knows how to get the new PY’s up on the system I can send them over.
I would be interested in what you mean by latest PY's from RYA, as
they normally publish update information at the beginning of March
each year to coincide with the Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for Sailwave containing
Portsmouth Numbers from the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually
update the file each year and get Colin to make available in the
resource section of the Sailwave web site. For some reason it doe
snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience on personal handicap
calculations to provide pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what
are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but there has been debate
on the way they are calculated and to the best of my knowledge the
procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
I am new to Sailwave but find it easy to use.
I have been told that you can calculate personal
handicaps using sailwave but I have no idea how to do
this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest PY's from the
RYA, there are a few differences in particular to the
standard rig and radial rig lasers, its not a big
change but it has changed so if anyone knows how to
get the new PY’s up on the system I can send them
over.
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list which i have attached for you, note that the PN for the laser has changed from 1078 to 1080 and the Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great fan of personal handicaps, however the club that I work at use them all the time but I am not sure that the method they are using works that well so was hoping sailwave could help me and the club out
I would be interested in what you mean by latest PY's from RYA, as
they normally publish update information at the beginning of March
each year to coincide with the Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for Sailwave containing
Portsmouth Numbers from the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually
update the file each year and get Colin to make available in the
resource section of the Sailwave web site. For some reason it doe
snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience on personal handicap
calculations to provide pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what
are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but there has been debate
on the way they are calculated and to the best of my knowledge the
procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
I am new to Sailwave but find it easy to use.
I have been told that you can calculate personal
handicaps using sailwave but I have no idea how to do
this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest PY's from the
RYA, there are a few differences in particular to the
standard rig and radial rig lasers, its not a big
change but it has changed so if anyone knows how to
get the new PY’s up on the system I can send them
over.
I now understand that you were referring to the changes made and
published in March 2010.
Attached is a rating file containing the 2001 RYA Portsmouth Numbers
which just needs to placed in the folder Ratings under the Sailwave
folder that is normally in C:\Program Files.
Personal Handicapping is a long requested facility in Sailwave but
apart from the already mentioned BCR capability which was fairly
easy to implement addition flexibility/functionality has not so far
appeared.� I am sure others will explain how they deal with their
personal handicapping requirements, but from what I remember on the
forum it usually involves using a spreadsheet.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 13/01/2011 14:27, Mark Russell wrote:
Hi Huw,
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list which i have attached
for you, note that the PN for the laser has changed from
1078 to 1080 and the Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great fan of personal
handicaps, however the club that I work at use them all
the time but I am not sure that the method they are using
works that well so was hoping sailwave could help me and
the club out
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM, > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk> > wrote:
�
Hi Mark,
I would be interested in what you mean by
latest PY’s from RYA, as they normally
publish update information at the beginning
of March each year to coincide with the
Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for
Sailwave containing Portsmouth Numbers from
the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually
update the file each year and get Colin to
make available in the resource section of
the Sailwave web site. For some reason it
doe snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience
on personal handicap calculations to provide
pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what
are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but
there has been debate on the way they are
calculated and to the best of my knowledge
the procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
�
I am
new to Sailwave but find it easy
to use.
I have been told that you can
calculate personal handicaps using
sailwave but I have no idea how to
do this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest
PY’s from the RYA, there are a few
differences in particular to the
standard rig and radial rig lasers,
its not a big change but it has
changed so if anyone knows how to
get the new PY’s up on the system I
can send them over.
The value BCR provided by Sailwave can be used as an aid to personal handicaps.
A simplistic method is to use an average of BCR (back calculated rating) or Rating to Win values for a competitor from a few previous races to apply to subsequent races.
However, this can result in everyone’s personal handicap getting larger and larger over time. Statistical analysis is required in order to keep the mean set of ratings for all competitors the same. Methods of doing this have been suggested by others - if you can do a search on such messages in the SW usergroup.
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Personal handicaps [1 Attachment]
Hi Huw,
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list which i have attached for you, note that the PN for the laser has changed from 1078 to 1080 and the Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great fan of personal handicaps, however the club that I work at use them all the time but I am not sure that the method they are using works that well so was hoping sailwave could help me and the club out
I would be interested in what you mean by latest PY's from RYA, as they normally publish update information at the beginning of March each year to coincide with the Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for Sailwave containing Portsmouth Numbers from the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually update the file each year and get Colin to make available in the resource section of the Sailwave web site. For some reason it doe snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience on personal handicap calculations to provide pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but there has been debate on the way they are calculated and to the best of my knowledge the procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
I am new to Sailwave but find it easy to use.
I have been told that you can calculate personal handicaps using sailwave but I have no idea how to do this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest PY's from the RYA, there are a few differences in particular to the standard rig and radial rig lasers, its not a big change but it has changed so if anyone knows how to get the new PY's up on the system I can send them over.
I have tried to put the new ratings on to sailwave but it is not reading them. When i open the document you sent me it opens in excel as does the previous rating system (the 2009) but I am not sure why but the 2010 just does not want to play ball when I remove the 2009 and only try and use 2010. when I go to the boat section and go to select a boat it comes up with a blank screen.
Because of this I have put the 2009 ratings back on for now.
[Attachment(s) from Huw Pearce included below]
Hi Mark,
I now understand that you were referring to the changes made and
published in March 2010.
Attached is a rating file containing the 2001 RYA Portsmouth Numbers
which just needs to placed in the folder Ratings under the Sailwave
folder that is normally in C:\Program Files.
Personal Handicapping is a long requested facility in Sailwave but
apart from the already mentioned BCR capability which was fairly
easy to implement addition flexibility/functionality has not so far
appeared. I am sure others will explain how they deal with their
personal handicapping requirements, but from what I remember on the
forum it usually involves using a spreadsheet.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 14:27, Mark Russell wrote:
Hi Huw,
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list which i have attached
for you, note that the PN for the laser has changed from
1078 to 1080 and the Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great fan of personal
handicaps, however the club that I work at use them all
the time but I am not sure that the method they are using
works that well so was hoping sailwave could help me and
the club out
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM, > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk> > > wrote:
Hi Mark,
I would be interested in what you mean by
latest PY’s from RYA, as they normally
publish update information at the beginning
of March each year to coincide with the
Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for
Sailwave containing Portsmouth Numbers from
the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually
update the file each year and get Colin to
make available in the resource section of
the Sailwave web site. For some reason it
doe snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience
on personal handicap calculations to provide
pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what
are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but
there has been debate on the way they are
calculated and to the best of my knowledge
the procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
I am
new to Sailwave but find it easy
to use.
I have been told that you can
calculate personal handicaps using
sailwave but I have no idea how to
do this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest
PY’s from the RYA, there are a few
differences in particular to the
standard rig and radial rig lasers,
its not a big change but it has
changed so if anyone knows how to
get the new PY’s up on the system I
can send them over.
Sorry to hear you are having difficulties. Yes both files will be
opened in Excel if you just double click on� them as that is the
default application for .CSV files.
Just checking a couple of things:
You did put a copy of the file I sent with my previous email
in to the Ratings folder
Are you using a rating system with Sailwave file you are using
to produce the race & series results. If you have created a
new Sailwave results file it will by default not be using a
rating system but be expecting the series to a level rating
series, e.g. class racing with no handicapping involved.
To check 2 open the Sailwave file click on the Scoring System button
on the tool bar then click the Rating System tab. If the radfio
button is set alongside None then you will not see any ratings when
you click the wavy lines alongside the class filed for a competitor.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 14/01/2011 02:42, Mark Russell wrote:
Hi Huw,
I have tried to put the new ratings on to sailwave but
it is not reading them. When i open the document you sent
me it opens in excel as does the previous rating system
(the 2009) but I am not sure why but the 2010 just does
not want to play ball when I remove the 2009 and only try
and use 2010. when I go to the boat section and go to
select a boat it comes up with a blank screen.
Because of this I have put the 2009 ratings back on for
now.�
Any tips for sorting this out?
Regards
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM, > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk> > wrote:
�
[Attachment(s)
from Huw Pearce included below]
Hi Mark,
I now understand that you were referring to
the changes made and published in March
2010.
Attached is a rating file containing the
2001 RYA Portsmouth Numbers which just needs
to placed in the folder Ratings under the
Sailwave folder that is normally in
C:\Program Files.
Personal Handicapping is a long requested
facility in Sailwave but apart from the
already mentioned BCR capability which was
fairly easy to implement addition
flexibility/functionality has not so far
appeared.� I am sure others will explain how
they deal with their personal handicapping
requirements, but from what I remember on
the forum it usually involves using a
spreadsheet.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 14:27, Mark Russell wrote:
�
Hi Huw,
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list
which i have attached for you, note
that the PN for the laser has
changed from 1078 to 1080 and the
Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great
fan of personal handicaps, however
the club that I work at use them all
the time but I am not sure that the
method they are using works that
well so was hoping sailwave could
help me and the club out
On Thu, Jan > > > 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk> > > > wrote:
�
Hi Mark,
I would be interested
in what you mean by
latest PY’s from RYA,
as they normally
publish update
information at the
beginning of March
each year to coincide
with the Dinghy Show
here in the UK.
I can provide you with
a rating file for
Sailwave containing
Portsmouth Numbers
from the RYA pulished
in March 2010. I
usually update the
file each year and get
Colin to make
available in the
resource section of
the Sailwave web site.
For some reason it doe
snot appear to have
happened last year.
I will leave others
who have more
experience on personal
handicap calculations
to provide pointers.
However, Sailwave can
produce what are
called BCR (Back
Calculated Ratings)
but there has been
debate on the way they
are calculated and to
the best of my
knowledge the
procedure is not as
laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, > > > > Mark Russell wrote:
�
I
am new to
Sailwave but
find it easy
to use.
I have been
told that you
can calculate
personal
handicaps
using sailwave
but I have no
idea how to do
this, can
anyone help?
Also I have
been given the
latest PY’s
from the RYA,
there are a
few
differences in
particular to
the standard
rig and radial
rig lasers,
its not a big
change but it
has changed so
if anyone
knows how to
get the new
PY’s up on the
system I can
send them
over.
[Attachment(s) from Huw Pearce included below]
Hi Mark,
I now understand that you were referring to the changes made and
published in March 2010.
Attached is a rating file containing the 2001 RYA Portsmouth Numbers
which just needs to placed in the folder Ratings under the Sailwave
folder that is normally in C:\Program Files.
Personal Handicapping is a long requested facility in Sailwave but
apart from the already mentioned BCR capability which was fairly
easy to implement addition flexibility/functionality has not so far
appeared. I am sure others will explain how they deal with their
personal handicapping requirements, but from what I remember on the
forum it usually involves using a spreadsheet.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 14:27, Mark Russell wrote:
Hi Huw,
I have the 2010 part 7 PN list which i have attached
for you, note that the PN for the laser has changed from
1078 to 1080 and the Radial changes from 1101 to 1104.
I have to admit I am not a great fan of personal
handicaps, however the club that I work at use them all
the time but I am not sure that the method they are using
works that well so was hoping sailwave could help me and
the club out
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM, > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk> > > wrote:
Hi Mark,
I would be interested in what you mean by
latest PY’s from RYA, as they normally
publish update information at the beginning
of March each year to coincide with the
Dinghy Show here in the UK.
I can provide you with a rating file for
Sailwave containing Portsmouth Numbers from
the RYA pulished in March 2010. I usually
update the file each year and get Colin to
make available in the resource section of
the Sailwave web site. For some reason it
doe snot appear to have happened last year.
I will leave others who have more experience
on personal handicap calculations to provide
pointers. However, Sailwave can produce what
are called BCR (Back Calculated Ratings) but
there has been debate on the way they are
calculated and to the best of my knowledge
the procedure is not as laid out by the RYA.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 13/01/2011 13:35, Mark Russell wrote:
I am
new to Sailwave but find it easy
to use.
I have been told that you can
calculate personal handicaps using
sailwave but I have no idea how to
do this, can anyone help?
Also I have been given the latest
PY’s from the RYA, there are a few
differences in particular to the
standard rig and radial rig lasers,
its not a big change but it has
changed so if anyone knows how to
get the new PY’s up on the system I
can send them over.