Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race Committee Use

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Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports that the
Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results of
the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps
Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any
information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start), OCS
etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of
competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record
(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

I am interested in hearing how others manage this issue. LOts of
feedback is appreciated.

thanks
Robert

2

Hi Robert
May I suggest that you approach the subject in a different way.
This is what we use for a 250 boat, 2 start General Handicap.

When capturing finish information of Class, Sail No & Time, it would be nigh on impossible to record
this info alongside the relevant sail no in a pre-printed list when boats are crossing the line
every second or worse!
The first approach therefore is to write down finishers in the order that they cross the line, using
a blank paper with pre-printed columns of laps & finish (sample attached).

The next job of the RC is to calculate the number of laps from the lap counts.
For our event, this is done by a separate team who have produced a backup set of finishes on a C
Boat at the other end of the line. This team check the finish sheets whilst the main RC are starting
the next race; our event is 3 back to back in February so we don't want to keep sailors hanging
around.

When a complete set of finish results is ready, it are passed to the Sailwave person & this is where
SW really saves you work.
You will note that at no time above have I attempted to record fleet info eg Fast/Slow 1st/2nd/3rd
start etc.
This is not necessary as if you set up starts in SW for each race, SW will automatically calculate
fleet results if you need them :slight_smile:
In our event, our finish times are continuous for all boats, irrespective of their start.
By setting up a different start time for each start, SW will calculate the elapsed time :slight_smile:
eg, if we start our stop watch at the first start & the second group start 5 mins later, we just set
the first groups to start at midnight 00:00:00 and the second group to start at 00:05:00 (or
whatever the time difference is)

After a number of years wrestling with the problems of multiple start/fleet racing, I have come to
the conclusion that we must make it as simple as possible on the CB to reduce human error & let SW
do all the hard work of calculating & adjusting.

I have used a General Handicap as an example but the principles are exactly the same for class
racing & are especially helpful if you are using flights with multiple starts within a race.

Hope this helps

Regards
Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: u917734 [mailto:RJSJR@shaw.ca]
Sent: 20 April 2006 22:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race Committee
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Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports that the
Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results of
the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps
Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any
information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start), OCS
etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of
competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record
(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

I am interested in hearing how others manage this issue. LOts of
feedback is appreciated.

thanks
Robert

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Hi Robert,

We use the following three forms.

  1.  Check-In

sheet. (produced by Sailwave)

  1.  Race

Information Form

  1.  RC

Log

  1.  Rotation

Sheet

The finish form we use is much simpler than
that used by Ralph. We gather three pieces of information, time, sail#, flags
about each finisher. If you try and gather any more, or try and find the sail
number on a list, you will end up missing finishers. You give the list of sail
numbers to the scorer; they enter the sail number and finish time of each boat,
then hit the score button.

The finish information we gather is as
follows.

  1.  Time

of Day hh:mm:ss when the boat finished. DO NOT USE ELAPSED TIME OR A STOPWATCH, USE GPS TOD.

  1.  Sail

Number (you don’t need the class unless the same sail number is in multiple
classes)

  1.  Note

any flags flying; Protest Flag (B Flag) or Penalty Flags (I Flag or
Yellow)

I have attached copies of the forms.

···

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:32
PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Publishing
reports from Sailwave to Race Committee Use

Hi Robert

May I suggest that you approach the subject in a different way.

This is what we use for a 250 boat, 2 start General Handicap.

When capturing finish information of Class, Sail No & Time, it would be
nigh on impossible to record

this info alongside the relevant sail no in a pre-printed list when boats are
crossing the line

every second or worse!

The first approach therefore is to write down finishers in the order that they
cross the line, using

a blank paper with pre-printed columns of laps & finish (sample attached).

The next job of the RC is to calculate the number of laps from the lap counts.

For our event, this is done by a separate team who have produced a backup set
of finishes on a C

Boat at the other end of the line. This team check the finish sheets whilst the
main RC are starting

the next race; our event is 3 back to back in February so we don’t want to keep
sailors hanging

around.

When a complete set of finish results is ready, it are passed to the Sailwave
person & this is where

SW really saves you work.

You will note that at no time above have I attempted to record fleet info eg
Fast/Slow 1st/2nd/3rd

start etc.

This is not necessary as if you set up starts in SW for each race, SW will
automatically calculate

fleet results if you need them :slight_smile:

In our event, our finish times are continuous for all boats, irrespective of
their start.

By setting up a different start time for each start, SW will calculate the
elapsed time :slight_smile:

eg, if we start our stop watch at the first start & the second group start
5 mins later, we just set

the first groups to start at midnight 00:00:00 and the second group to start at
00:05:00 (or

whatever the time difference is)

After a number of years wrestling with the problems of multiple start/fleet
racing, I have come to

the conclusion that we must make it as simple as possible on the CB to reduce
human error & let SW

do all the hard work of calculating & adjusting.

I have used a General Handicap as an example but the principles are exactly the
same for class

racing & are especially helpful if you are using flights with multiple starts
within a race.

Hope this helps

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: u917734 [mailto:RJSJR@shaw.ca]

Sent: 20 April 2006 22:37

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race Committee

Use

Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports that the

Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results of

the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps

Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any

information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start), OCS

etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of

competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record

(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

I am interested in hearing how others manage this issue. LOts of

feedback is appreciated.

thanks

Robert

4

Hello u917734,

Thursday, April 20, 2006, 2:37:29 PM, you wrote:

Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports that the
Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results of
the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps
Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any
information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start), OCS
etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of
competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record
(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

Around here the standard procedure for recording finishes seems to be to use a blank form (or any handy piece of paper) to write down the sail number (and time, for handicap races) in the order of finish - this saves searching the entry list for the boats that just finished, and provides some evidence if competitors claim there are errors in the order of finish. The Sail Number Wizard will sort things out as you enter the finish data.

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5

Mark
Thanks again for the info. The attachement is not available. Can you
send them to my other email at RJStewart@dow.com.

Have you thought about the others being produced by Sailwave?

Thanks
Robert

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Townsend"
<s_mark_townsend@...> wrote:

Hi Robert,

We use the following three forms.

1. Check-In sheet. (produced by Sailwave)
2. Race Information Form
3. RC Log
4. Rotation Sheet

The finish form we use is much simpler than that used by Ralph. We

gather

three pieces of information, time, sail#, flags about each

finisher. If you

try and gather any more, or try and find the sail number on a

list, you will

end up missing finishers. You give the list of sail numbers to the

scorer;

they enter the sail number and finish time of each boat, then hit

the score

button.

The finish information we gather is as follows.

1. Time of Day hh:mm:ss when the boat finished. DO NOT USE

ELAPSED

TIME OR A STOPWATCH, USE GPS TOD.
2. Sail Number (you don't need the class unless the same sail

number is

in multiple classes)
3. Note any flags flying; Protest Flag (B Flag) or Penalty

Flags (I

Flag or Yellow)

I have attached copies of the forms.

  _____

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf

Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:32 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race

Committee

Use

Hi Robert
May I suggest that you approach the subject in a different way.
This is what we use for a 250 boat, 2 start General Handicap.

When capturing finish information of Class, Sail No & Time, it

would be nigh

on impossible to record
this info alongside the relevant sail no in a pre-printed list

when boats

are crossing the line
every second or worse!
The first approach therefore is to write down finishers in the

order that

they cross the line, using
a blank paper with pre-printed columns of laps & finish (sample

attached).

The next job of the RC is to calculate the number of laps from the

lap

counts.
For our event, this is done by a separate team who have produced a

backup

set of finishes on a C
Boat at the other end of the line. This team check the finish

sheets whilst

the main RC are starting
the next race; our event is 3 back to back in February so we don't

want to

keep sailors hanging
around.

When a complete set of finish results is ready, it are passed to

the

Sailwave person & this is where
SW really saves you work.
You will note that at no time above have I attempted to record

fleet info eg

Fast/Slow 1st/2nd/3rd
start etc.
This is not necessary as if you set up starts in SW for each race,

SW will

automatically calculate
fleet results if you need them :slight_smile:
In our event, our finish times are continuous for all boats,

irrespective of

their start.
By setting up a different start time for each start, SW will

calculate the

elapsed time :slight_smile:
eg, if we start our stop watch at the first start & the second

group start 5

mins later, we just set
the first groups to start at midnight 00:00:00 and the second

group to start

at 00:05:00 (or
whatever the time difference is)

After a number of years wrestling with the problems of multiple

start/fleet

racing, I have come to
the conclusion that we must make it as simple as possible on the

CB to

reduce human error & let SW
do all the hard work of calculating & adjusting.

I have used a General Handicap as an example but the principles

are exactly

the same for class
racing & are especially helpful if you are using flights with

multiple

starts within a race.

Hope this helps

Regards
Ralph

From: u917734 [mailto:RJSJR@…]
Sent: 20 April 2006 22:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race

Committee

Use

Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports

that the

Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results

of

the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps
Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any
information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start),

OCS

···

-----Original Message-----
etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of
competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record
(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

I am interested in hearing how others manage this issue. LOts of
feedback is appreciated.

thanks
Robert

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The files are attached

···

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of u917734
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:38
PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Publishing
reports from Sailwave to Race Committee Use

Mark

Thanks again for the info. The attachement is not available. Can you

send them to my other email at RJStewart@dow.com.

Have you thought about the others being produced by Sailwave?

Thanks

Robert

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Mark Townsend”

<s_mark_townsend@…> wrote:

Hi Robert,

We use the following three forms.

  1.  Check-In sheet. (produced by Sailwave)

  1.  Race Information Form

  1.  RC Log

  1.  Rotation Sheet

The finish form we use is much simpler than that used by Ralph. We

gather

three pieces of information, time, sail#, flags about each

finisher. If you

try and gather any more, or try and find the sail number on a

list, you will

end up missing finishers. You give the list of sail numbers to the

scorer;

they enter the sail number and finish time of each boat, then hit

the score

button.

The finish information we gather is as follows.

  1.  Time of Day hh:mm:ss when the boat

finished. DO NOT USE

ELAPSED

TIME OR A STOPWATCH, USE GPS TOD.

  1.  Sail Number (you don't need the class

unless the same sail

number is

in multiple classes)

  1.  Note any flags flying; Protest Flag (B

Flag) or Penalty

Flags (I

Flag or Yellow)

I have attached copies of the forms.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf

Of Ralph Tingle

Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:32 PM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race

Committee

Use

Hi Robert

May I suggest that you approach the subject in a different way.

This is what we use for a 250 boat, 2 start General Handicap.

When capturing finish information of Class, Sail No & Time, it

would be nigh

on impossible to record

this info alongside the relevant sail no in a pre-printed list

when boats

are crossing the line

every second or worse!

The first approach therefore is to write down finishers in the

order that

they cross the line, using

a blank paper with pre-printed columns of laps & finish (sample

attached).

The next job of the RC is to calculate the number of laps from the

lap

counts.

For our event, this is done by a separate team who have produced a

backup

set of finishes on a C

Boat at the other end of the line. This team check the finish

sheets whilst

the main RC are starting

the next race; our event is 3 back to back in February so we don’t

want to

keep sailors hanging

around.

When a complete set of finish results is ready, it are passed to

the

Sailwave person & this is where

SW really saves you work.

You will note that at no time above have I attempted to record

fleet info eg

Fast/Slow 1st/2nd/3rd

start etc.

This is not necessary as if you set up starts in SW for each race,

SW will

automatically calculate

fleet results if you need them :slight_smile:

In our event, our finish times are continuous for all boats,

irrespective of

their start.

By setting up a different start time for each start, SW will

calculate the

elapsed time :slight_smile:

eg, if we start our stop watch at the first start & the second

group start 5

mins later, we just set

the first groups to start at midnight 00:00:00 and the second

group to start

at 00:05:00 (or

whatever the time difference is)

After a number of years wrestling with the problems of multiple

start/fleet

racing, I have come to

the conclusion that we must make it as simple as possible on the

CB to

reduce human error & let SW

do all the hard work of calculating & adjusting.

I have used a General Handicap as an example but the principles

are exactly

the same for class

racing & are especially helpful if you are using flights with

multiple

starts within a race.

Hope this helps

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: u917734 [mailto:RJSJR@…]

Sent: 20 April 2006 22:37

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Publishing reports from Sailwave to Race

Committee

Use

Question.

I am trying to figure out how to make SailWave publish reports

that the

Race committee could take onto the water to capturing the results

of

the race in the raw form.

Example: Race 1 Fleet = Handicaps

Competitor1 etc. The Race committee would then enter (written) any

information against this individual as in DNS (missed the start),

OCS

etc. ANother report would be for the finish boat with the list of

competitors by fleet where the finish recorder would then record

(written) eith the time or position of the boat.

I am interested in hearing how others manage this issue. LOts of

feedback is appreciated.

thanks

Robert