Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick
If you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting
first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish
simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they
get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to
publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can't do
this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?)
compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap,
start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the
starting times for each class.
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regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuitstart?
Dick
Malcolm, Thank you for your response. Actually we have been using an Excel Spreadsheet for a number of years that does quite well in computing the start times. US SAILING’s Regatta Network also has a Pursuit Start Sheet that can be downloaded with all the boats registered for the event. For scoring we like to record the finish times as well as places. It helps in the event of redress or questioned finishes. It was this capability that I was looking for. For some reason we have had a number of anomalies occur when we have sorted the Excel sheet by class and sub class. We were looking for another way to score.
Dick Allsopp
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Osborne
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 17:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Pursuit Start
If you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can’t do this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?) compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap, start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the starting times for each class.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa
On 2012/05/10 22:15, dickallsopp wrote:
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick
Malcolm, Thank you for your response. Actually we have been using an Excel Spreadsheet for a number of years that does quite well in computing the start times. US SAILING’s Regatta Network also has a Pursuit Start Sheet that can be downloaded with all the boats registered for the event. For scoring we like to record the finish times as well as places. It helps in the event of redress or questioned finishes. It was this capability that I was looking for. For some reason we have had a number of anomalies occur when we have sorted the Excel sheet by class and sub class. We were looking for another way to score.
Dick Allsopp
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Osborne
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 17:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Pursuit Start
If you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can’t do this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?) compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap, start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the starting times for each class.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa
On 2012/05/10 22:15, dickallsopp wrote:
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick
I think there are a couple of definitions floating around. The one you describe is used with a TOT such as Portsmouth. The one I am referring to is the one in the US Sailing Race Management manual and is based on a TOD scoring system. Starts are staggered based on handicap and the finish is essentially a fleet finish.
Dick
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Calum Polwart
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 13:22
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Pursuit Start
Sounds like you aren’t doing a strict pursuit. A strict pursuit has no finsih line. The positions are those as frozen in time at the end of the race duration… so everyones finish time should strictly be the same…
On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:08:38 -0400, Dick Allsopp wrote:
Malcolm, Thank you for your response. Actually we have been using an Excel Spreadsheet for a number of years that does quite well in computing the start times. US SAILING’s Regatta Network also has a Pursuit Start Sheet that can be downloaded with all the boats registered for the event. For scoring we like to record the finish times as well as places. It helps in the event of redress or questioned finishes. It was this capability that I was looking for. For some reason we have had a number of anomalies occur when we have sorted the Excel sheet by class and sub class. We were looking for another way to score.
Dick Allsopp
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Osborne
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 17:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Pursuit Start
If you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can’t do this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?) compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap, start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the starting times for each class.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa
On 2012/05/10 22:15, dickallsopp wrote:
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick
I have the same requirement. All boats start with an offset time. (the aim is that all boats should cross the finish line at the same time) - this a common type of race held in Australia for mixed keelboat club racing fleets - eg Wed Twilight Racing.
The time of each boat is taken as they cross the finish line. The first boat to cross the finish line is the winner.
Corrected time = finish time
Elapsed time = (Start Time - Finish Time) less off set time
eg Start 13:00 -
Boat A has offset (Rating) of 10 mins - Finish 14:00
Boat B has offset (Rating) of 5 mins - Finish 14:05
A - Corrected Time 14:00 - elapsed time - (duration 50 mins)
B - Corrected Time 13:05 - elapsed time - (duration 60 mins)
My requirement is to display the actual finish time, the offset time and the elapsed time.- example below scored using TopYacht.
PurHC results
Start : 18:15:00;
Place Fin Tim Elapsd Offset
1 19:11:15 50:15 6
2 19:14:57 49:57 10
3 19:15:33 55:33 5
Any clues?
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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Allsopp" <dallsopp@...> wrote:
I think there are a couple of definitions floating around. The one you describe is used with a TOT such as Portsmouth. The one I am referring to is the one in the US Sailing Race Management manual and is based on a TOD scoring system. Starts are staggered based on handicap and the finish is essentially a fleet finish.
Dick
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Calum Polwart
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 13:22
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Pursuit StartSounds like you aren't doing a strict pursuit. A strict pursuit has no finsih line. The positions are those as frozen in time at the end of the race duration... so everyones finish time should strictly be the same....
On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:08:38 -0400, Dick Allsopp wrote:
Malcolm, Thank you for your response. Actually we have been using an Excel Spreadsheet for a number of years that does quite well in computing the start times. US SAILINGâs Regatta Network also has a Pursuit Start Sheet that can be downloaded with all the boats registered for the event. For scoring we like to record the finish times as well as places. It helps in the event of redress or questioned finishes. It was this capability that I was looking for. For some reason we have had a number of anomalies occur when we have sorted the Excel sheet by class and sub class. We were looking for another way to score.
Dick Allsopp
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Osborne
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 17:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Pursuit StartIf you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can't do this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?) compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap, start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the starting times for each class.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South AfricaOn 2012/05/10 22:15, dickallsopp wrote:
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick
Hi
As I see this Sailwave can do all of this apart from calculating the start time and this could be done using the Personal Handicap program I’m currently developing with just a few minor modifications
https://sites.google.com/site/eskdalesite/home/swph
If you want to go down this route let me know and I’ll make the modifications
Sailwave lets you specify a start time and a finish time and a Handicap/Rating and when you score it calculates the corrected time and ranks them
When you publish the results there are options to specify what is published
And in a very simple format you get something like this with the Start Time / Finish Time / Elapsed Time/ Time to Win
You can also include Corrected times.
So I think its workable or have I missed something?
Jon
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— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “dreamingrbyc” <dlloyddlloyd@…> wrote:
I have the same requirement. All boats start with an offset time. (the aim is that all boats should cross the finish line at the same time) - this a common type of race held in Australia for mixed keelboat club racing fleets - eg Wed Twilight Racing.
The time of each boat is taken as they cross the finish line. The first boat to cross the finish line is the winner.
Corrected time = finish time
Elapsed time = (Start Time - Finish Time) less off set timeeg Start 13:00 -
Boat A has offset (Rating) of 10 mins - Finish 14:00
Boat B has offset (Rating) of 5 mins - Finish 14:05A - Corrected Time 14:00 - elapsed time - (duration 50 mins)
B - Corrected Time 13:05 - elapsed time - (duration 60 mins)My requirement is to display the actual finish time, the offset time and the elapsed time.- example below scored using TopYacht.
PurHC results
Start : 18:15:00;
Place Fin Tim Elapsd Offset
1 19:11:15 50:15 6
2 19:14:57 49:57 10
3 19:15:33 55:33 5Any clues?
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Dick Allsopp” dallsopp@ wrote:
I think there are a couple of definitions floating around. The one you describe is used with a TOT such as Portsmouth. The one I am referring to is the one in the US Sailing Race Management manual and is based on a TOD scoring system. Starts are staggered based on handicap and the finish is essentially a fleet finish.
Dick
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Calum Polwart
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 13:22
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Pursuit StartSounds like you aren’t doing a strict pursuit. A strict pursuit has no finsih line. The positions are those as frozen in time at the end of the race duration… so everyones finish time should strictly be the same…
On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:08:38 -0400, Dick Allsopp wrote:
Malcolm, Thank you for your response. Actually we have been using an Excel Spreadsheet for a number of years that does quite well in computing the start times. US SAILINGâs Regatta Network also has a Pursuit Start Sheet that can be downloaded with all the boats registered for the event. For scoring we like to record the finish times as well as places. It helps in the event of redress or questioned finishes. It was this capability that I was looking for. For some reason we have had a number of anomalies occur when we have sorted the Excel sheet by class and sub class. We were looking for another way to score.
Dick Allsopp
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Osborne
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 17:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Pursuit StartIf you are referring to a pursuit race with slower boats starting first, the timing is calculated for all the boats to finish simultaneously. As it works out, some boats perform better and they get across the finish first.
With the RC recording the finishing order, Sailwave can be used to publish these results.
The trick is to calculate the starting sequence - Sailwave can’t do this.
I have an Excel spreadsheet that another SUG member (David Wilkins?) compiled some years ago - you just plug in the class, handicap, start time and duration for slowest class, it then gives the starting times for each class.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South AfricaOn 2012/05/10 22:15, dickallsopp wrote:
Is there a way to use Sail Wave to record a TOD pursuit start?
Dick