Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the water results specific to our club, my club is looking at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run them side by side with the normal racing.
Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
I wouldn't have thought so. But the easiest way to do that is to run two sailwave files in parallel. Create your first file using the standard PY ratings file, then create a copy and change the rating file it calls, I think you will have to put the rating file in a different folder from the standard, then call it under 'global options'. Then re-score and save the copied file It would mean having to go through that process after every race in the series.
Ian Frogley
On 01/06/2012 16:46, waynemarlow570 wrote:
Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the water results specific to our club, my club is looking at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run them side by side with the normal racing.
Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
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Thanks Ian
Sort of what I had come to the same conclusion I’m afraid. Inputting data and having to update the file each time I think would be too much for the race officer to bother with I’m afraid, they all want to be out in the bar just like all the other sailors.
Wayne
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Frogley
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the same results
I wouldn’t have thought so. But the easiest way to do that is to run two
sailwave files in parallel. Create your first file using the standard PY
ratings file, then create a copy and change the rating file it calls, I
think you will have to put the rating file in a different folder from
the standard, then call it under ‘global options’. Then re-score and
save the copied file It would mean having to go through that process
after every race in the series.
Ian Frogley
On 01/06/2012 16:46, waynemarlow570 wrote:
Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the water results specific to our club, my club is looking at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run them side by side with the normal racing.
Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
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Thanks
Ian
Sort
of what I had come to the same conclusion I’m afraid.
Inputting data and having to update the file each time I
think would be too much for the race officer to bother with
I’m afraid, they all want to be out in the bar just like all
the other sailors.
Wayne
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Frogley
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the
same results
I wouldn't have thought so. But the easiest way to do
that is to run two
sailwave files in parallel. Create your first file using
the standard PY
ratings file, then create a copy and change the rating
file it calls, I
think you will have to put the rating file in a
different folder from
the standard, then call it under ‘global options’. Then
re-score and
save the copied file It would mean having to go through
that process
after every race in the series.
Ian Frogley
On 01/06/2012 16:46, waynemarlow570 wrote:
> Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the
water results specific to our club, my club is looking
at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual
returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big
changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe
desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run
them side by side with the normal racing.
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> Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in
Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
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You could use aliases to run the results in parallel
Dave MacKinnon
From: Ian Frogley ian.frogley@ntlworld.com
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:01:30 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the same results
That’s OK Wayne,
I just tried it on one of the series I have, and it took one minute
after having finished the standard file.
BUT I found a flaw, if you change the location of the ratings file
in Global Options that change is made to ALL your Sailwave
files.
So, run your standard file, save and publish, go to Global Options,
change the rating folder, re-score and publish to a different
filename, but don’t save the sailwave file. Again less than a
minute.
So a workable solution, but maybe better done the day after the race
and the bar.
Ian
On 01/06/2012 17:32, Wayne Richards wrote:
ThanksIan
Sortof what I had come to the same conclusion I’m afraid.
Inputting data and having to update the file each time I
think would be too much for the race officer to bother with
I’m afraid, they all want to be out in the bar just like all
the other sailors.
Wayne
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian
Frogley
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the
same results
I wouldn't have thought so. But the easiest way to dothat is to run two
sailwave files in parallel. Create your first file usingthe standard PY
ratings file, then create a copy and change the ratingfile it calls, I
think you will have to put the rating file in adifferent folder from
the standard, then call it under 'global options'. Thenre-score and
save the copied file It would mean having to go throughthat process
after every race in the series. Ian Frogley On 01/06/2012 16:46, waynemarlow570 wrote: > Due to the discrepancies between PY and on thewater results specific to our club, my club is looking
at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual
returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big
changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe
desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run
them side by side with the normal racing.> > Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns inSailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
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I think you can use the alias feature to help run one series of several races assigning each competitor with as many different handicaps as you like. The series can then have several sets of results and because you used the alias command you only had to type in the results once.
I’m not an expert and others may be able to help out with other tips as I have only tried to teach myself how to use alias command tonight. So, as far as I can tell this is how you could go about doing it (It seems a little time consuming if applying to an existing series but might be easier to do if starting from scratch). So assuming you would only like to add one extra handicap per competitor this is what I did:
Ensure alias is selected in user interface
Assign all competitors to a fleet if you haven’t already done that. I used Club-PY.
Then use the make new competitor (like) command to make a copy of every competitor in your series. Click on all of the alias versions of each competitor and assign them to a different fleet. I used RYA-PY.
Then change the alias competitor in RYA-PY fleets handicap to the different handicap.
Link your alias competitor to their original competitor using the alias tab in edit competitor.
Rescore series – but make sure score all competitors as group checkbox is selected.
Sailwave can then publish results table for either or both fleets in one place or separately. Just make sure when you publish you have the fleets you want highlighted in the publish command box.
Hope that helps.
Chris
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Frogley
Sent: 01 June 2012 18:02
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the same results
That’s OK Wayne,
I just tried it on one of the series I have, and it took one minute after having finished the standard file.
BUT I found a flaw, if you change the location of the ratings file in Global Options that change is made to ALL your Sailwave files.
So, run your standard file, save and publish, go to Global Options, change the rating folder, re-score and publish to a different filename, but don’t save the sailwave file. Again less than a minute.
So a workable solution, but maybe better done the day after the race and the bar.
Ian
On 01/06/2012 17:32, Wayne Richards wrote:
Thanks Ian
Sort of what I had come to the same conclusion I’m afraid. Inputting data and having to update the file each time I think would be too much for the race officer to bother with I’m afraid, they all want to be out in the bar just like all the other sailors.
Wayne
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Frogley
Sent: 01 June 2012 17:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] PY and club PY on the same results
I wouldn’t have thought so. But the easiest way to do that is to run two
sailwave files in parallel. Create your first file using the standard PY
ratings file, then create a copy and change the rating file it calls, I
think you will have to put the rating file in a different folder from
the standard, then call it under ‘global options’. Then re-score and
save the copied file It would mean having to go through that process
after every race in the series.Ian Frogley
On 01/06/2012 16:46, waynemarlow570 wrote:
Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the water results specific to our club, my club is looking at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run them side by side with the normal racing.
Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
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It is possible if you use aliases. Have a read up on them.
Jon.
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On Jun 1, 2012 4:51 PM, “waynemarlow570” wm.richards@sky.com wrote:
Due to the discrepancies between PY and on the water results specific to our club, my club is looking at using the PY suggested club numbers from our annual returns . Looking at those numbers there are some big changes. To test those new numbers, we thought it maybe desirable to introduce them in some fun events and run them side by side with the normal racing.
Is there anyway we can have 2 PY colomns in Sailwave giving 2 race result outputs ?
Example shown here. In this case the PY and LCF modded PY fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet. Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
I would like to score a series in such a way that those who score DNF etc get one more point than the number of starters for that race (not the series). Can someone remind me how to do this?
Ta,
George Morris
----- Original Message -----
From:
Mike
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: PY and club PY on the same results
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com , Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:
It is possible if you use aliases.
Example shown
here . In this case the PY and LCF modded PY fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet. Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
Click the setup menu, then scoring system. Can change things to suit in there.
Chris
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: 03 June 2012 17:40
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Series Scoring - DNF, DSQ etc
I would like to score a series in such a way that those who score DNF etc get one more point than the number of starters for that race (not the series). Can someone remind me how to do this?
Ta,
George Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: PY and club PY on the same results
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:
It is possible if you use aliases.
Example shown here. In this case the PY and LCF modded PY fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet. Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
George
As mentioned, go to "Scoring System", then choose "Scoring codes" and then double click DNF, choose "Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N places). Then put 1 in the "Value" field at the top. Then "Ok" and "Ok" again.
Hope that helps.
Stewart
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "George Morris" <gmorris@...> wrote:
I would like to score a series in such a way that those who score DNF etc get one more point than the number of starters for that race (not the series). Can someone remind me how to do this?
Ta,
George Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: PY and club PY on the same results--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
>
> It is possible if you use aliases.Example shown here. In this case the PY and LCF modded PY fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet. Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
In Scoring System / Scoring Codes, click on the hand symbol (bottom
left), in that drop down menu, choose Appendix A long series.
This will set DNF, DNS to No. starters + 1.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa
I would like to score aseries in such a way that those who score DNF etc get
one more point than the number of starters for * that
race* (not the series). Can someone remind me how
to do this?
Ta,
George Morris
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From:
Mike
Sent: Saturday, June
02, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [sailwave]
Re: PY and club PY on the same results
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com ,
Jon Eskdale wrote:It is possible if you use aliases.
Example shown
here . In this case the PY and LCF modded PY
fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet.
Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User
Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
<jon@…>
In addition to the below I would review the other codes to see which are to be considered as starter as this will affect the scores of the DNF’s.
From: familyberry stewart@stewartberry.co.uk
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Series Scoring - DNF, DSQ etc
George
As mentioned, go to “Scoring System”, then choose “Scoring codes” and then double click DNF, choose "Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N places). Then put 1 in the “Value” field at the top. Then “Ok” and “Ok” again.
Hope that helps.
Stewart
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “George Morris” <gmorris@…> wrote:
I would like to score a series in such a way that those who score DNF etc get one more point than the number of starters for that race (not the series). Can someone remind me how to do this?
Ta,
George Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: PY and club PY on the same results— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
It is possible if you use aliases.
Example shown here. In this case the PY and LCF modded PY fleets are aliases of the Personal Handicap fleet. Need to have aliases enabled in Setup, User Interface.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC
Thanks for all the answers to our dilemma on using the RYA suggested PY numbers from their Sailracer reports.
A couple of more questions.
OK then if we use the ratings file method ( simply changing the rating file ) how do we firstly create a ratings file easily from within Sailwave. We have a mix of SCHRS and PY over some 100 different competitors, it is not going to be easy to manually set up a file when one already exists within our version of Sailwave.
If we use the Aliases method, it is very longwinded to have to put in 100 competitors and change both the Series name and rating + other fields for all the new aliase competitors.
Good program but there has to be an easier way to link the RYA scheme otherwise it will not work in practice.
Wayne