race specific ratings and flights

Martin, Ralph et al,

(Posted again after fixing some typos)

After being confused for a while, I see that
race specific is (the) solution.

Yes, everything in Edit+result (double-click on a table cell in a race
column) will be race-specific - the cell is at an **intersection** of a race
and a competitor; it's a very natural place to hold data for a
competitor/race that is specific to both competitor and race; points, place,
corrected time etc...

Nobody has ever complained that having a race-specific rating in here has
been confusing!!! - the meaning seems to have been obvious - when working
out corrected times for this race, if there is a race specific rating for
the competitor/race, use it instead of the default rating in the competitor
record.

So I continued with that idea since it seemd to work and added a
race-specific flight field - (there is a rating tab in Edit+result and a
flight tab). The flight field allows you to define a race specific flight
for the competitor/race. The meaning is similar to the race specific
rating: if I'm evaluating a start expression for this race and there is a
race-speific flight defined for this competitor/race, use it instead of the
default flight in the competitor record. So all the races may have a start
with "Flight=Green" but which competitors that identified changes on a per
race basis if you utilise race-specific flights. So for example when you
run the sailno wizard for race N, it'll be able to guess the muiltiple
firsts, seconds OK because it knows *who is in each flight for this race*
(because of the race specific flight assignments). And for example, when
scoring the biggest start can still be calculated across the whole series
for the same reason.

You can *freely edit* both race specific ratings and race-specific flights
via Edit+result (you do not have to try and make the assign flights tool
target a single competitor/race!). So at this point you could do flight
assignments by hand, but it'd be a pain. So I added a tool that can set
race-specific flights en-mass - this is setting the race-specific flight
field in edit+result for you - i.e. just automating what you can already do
by hand. So, having used the tool, you can also change things around a
little using Edit+result directly.

There are two related series views: one showing race specific ratings and
one showing race specific flights - and the view is showing the data *in the
cell that it's defined in* - double click on the cell and you'll see the
race specific flight/rating *and* be able to edit it.

So my question is. If race specific ratings cause zero confusion why did
race specific flights cause lots of confusion...? Why didn't the same tried
and trusted method used for one race-specific thing work for another...?

I really do need to know. I can't unleash this on the world if it's going
to cause mass confusion...

:slight_smile:

Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Martin B�lgen
Sent: 14 September 2005 21:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Flights

Hi!

I've been wondering: Ain't all we do "Race specific" ?

After being confused for a while, I see that race specific is (the)
solution. One big problem is to make all info visible, and I think Colins
suggestion for the flight coloumn is a big step forward!

So, what is race specific?

The start is Race specific.
The position which gives you a score is Race specific.
Your score is Race specific,
And if you add all the Race specific scores, you'll get an overall sum
which you subtract the worst Specific race; and you'll get's your final
stand.
Your Flight assignment is Race specific.............................
and so on.

BTW: Wasn't it Ralph who said that the flight assignment had to be Race
specific, in the beginning.

Regards,
Martin ( Still confused, but probably a little less...)

----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Jenkins
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights

Hi Ralph,

There you go again 'race specific value'

I'll just have to trust you & assume that you are right- whatever it means
;-)<<

??

If you do a flight assignments to race 1, race 2... and then view 'race
flights', you'll see what I mean. To score an AddC series you need a field
that has a race-specific values (we've been calling them flights); but just
Blue, but blue in race 1 and green in race 2 and... i.e. race-specific
values.

Or not. Perhaps I'm wrong and you can do it without race-specific value -
but I don't see how. (Other than locking down reviously scored races such
that they are ignored when a series is scored - but this can lead to
problems if you have to go back and fix a flight assignment for example.)

Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Hi, Colin.

After alot of complex Flights discussions, I have a minor problem…

When looking around, I see alot of result pages around the world missing burgees! It seems to be too difficult for scorers to find out how to upload these things.

It is a little “disturbing” to a very good software, that on all headings there is a red cross…

There are two ways people are uploading things;

  1. They save the published result from the browser, and then upload by ftp.

  2. They “publish to a website and upload to a website using ftp”

In the first case, you can’t control it very much. In the last case, it should be possible to upload the image too.

What we need to do today, is to first find the image on the HDD through “series Option”. It will then show up when you publish “locally”. Peoples are happy then, and don’t think about how it looks on the web…

So, they upload the htm-file, and burgees are not showing! What is needed is to remove the path in series option, publish again and then upload images and htm-file to the same directory on web-server…

The “strange thing” is that even though you removed the path, burgees are showing when publishing locally!

Maybe a script removing the path in Series option, and then a message saying “Remember uploading images to the same path as the result file” would do?

Regards,

Martin

Hi MRatin,

Thanks. There is already something in the dev plan to sort this out - I’ve added your notes.

Colin

www.sailwave.com

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Martin Bølgen

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Sent: 15 September 2005 08:43
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Logos on websites…

Hi, Colin.

After alot of complex Flights discussions, I have a minor problem…

When looking around, I see alot of result pages around the world missing burgees! It seems to be too difficult for scorers to find out how to upload these things.

It is a little “disturbing” to a very good software, that on all headings there is a red cross…

There are two ways people are uploading things;

  1. They save the published result from the browser, and then upload by ftp.
  1. They “publish to a website and upload to a website using ftp”

In the first case, you can’t control it very much. In the last case, it should be possible to upload the image too.

What we need to do today, is to first find the image on the HDD through “series Option”. It will then show up when you publish “locally”. Peoples are happy then, and don’t think about how it looks on the web…

So, they upload the htm-file, and burgees are not showing! What is needed is to remove the path in series option, publish again and then upload images and htm-file to the same directory on web-server…

The “strange thing” is that even though you removed the path, burgees are showing when publishing locally!

Maybe a script removing the path in Series option, and then a message saying “Remember uploading images to the same path as the result file” would do?

Regards,

Martin