Race Ties Scoring

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I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected time. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

2

Have you tried hitting SCORE or RESCORE?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the
rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected time. I also
use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for
the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016
Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

3

Check to see if “Non-standard race tie options”. If it is checked make sure that “Average points (standard Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected time. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

4

Yes and always get the same results.

Tom

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:31 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Have you tried hitting SCORE or RESCORE?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the
rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected time. I also
use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for
the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016
Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

5

The “Non-standard race tie options” was not checked. However, I checked it and verified that the “Average points(standard Appendix A)” was checked, did a rescore, and still got the same results. Can you try the .blw on your system?

Tom

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Check to see if “Non-standard race tie options”. If it is checked make sure that “Average points (standard Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected time. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

6

Tom,

I have done some tests and you have found a scoring problem :-(

I have changed versions of Sailwave and tested scoring, my findings

are

  •     2.9.7 scores the tied boats with average points of the two

    positions, i.e. 1.5

  •     2.12.3 scores tied boats with average points of the two

    positions, i.e. 1.5

  •     2.13.4  and subsequent versions scores tied boats with points

    equal to the higher position, i.e.1.0
    Hopefully Jon will see this and start investigating, find out what
    has happened between versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+ versions and correct
    the problem.

    Short term fix is to go back to using Sailwave version 2.12.3.

    Kind regards,

    Huw

···

On 12/03/2014 16:59, Tom OWEN wrote:

              The

“Non-standard race tie options” was not checked.
However, I checked it and verified that the “Average
points(standard Appendix A)” was checked, did a
rescore, and still got the same results. Can you try
the .blw on your system?

Tom

From:

                  [] S Mark Townsend

Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

                    Check to see if

“Non-standard race tie options”. If it is
checked make sure that “Average points (standard
Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie
resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1
Attachment]

                    I am using PHRF ToT (use A

and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the
rating system. There are 2 boats that have the
same corrected ti me. I also use Apply IASF
Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The
score for the two boats is 1, when I believe
they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016
Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong?
Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom


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Great response. Thanks for the feedback and investigation.

Tom

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:59 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Tom,

I have done some tests and you have found a scoring problem :frowning:

I have changed versions of Sailwave and tested scoring, my findings are

  • 2.9.7 scores the tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5

  • 2.12.3 scores tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5

  • 2.13.4 and subsequent versions scores tied boats with points equal to the higher position, i.e.1.0

Hopefully Jon will see this and start investigating, find out what has happened between versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+ versions and correct the problem.

Short term fix is to go back to using Sailwave version 2.12.3.
Kind regards,
Huw

On 12/03/2014 16:59, Tom OWEN wrote:

The “Non-standard race tie options” was not checked. However, I checked it and verified that the “Average points(standard Appendix A)” was checked, did a rescore, and still got the same results. Can you try the .blw on your system?

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Check to see if “Non-standard race tie options”. If it is checked make sure that “Average points (standard Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected ti me. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

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Hi Tom / Huw

Version 2.14.8 is at

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/220425/sailwave.exe

This should fix this issue, if you would like to give it a try.

This has reverted the change to fix the issue when flights are in use and there is only one finisher in each. So that is a known issue which I will fix shortly but this has existed for many years and not caused a major problem.

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 12 March 2014 18:25, Tom OWEN towen999@msn.com wrote:

Great response. Thanks for the feedback and investigation.

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:59 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Tom,

I have done some tests and you have found a scoring problem :frowning:

I have changed versions of Sailwave and tested scoring, my findings are

  • 2.9.7 scores the tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5
  • 2.12.3 scores tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5
  • 2.13.4 and subsequent versions scores tied boats with points equal to the higher position, i.e.1.0
    Hopefully Jon will see this and start investigating, find out what has happened between versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+ versions and correct the problem.

Short term fix is to go back to using Sailwave version 2.12.3.
Kind regards,
Huw

On 12/03/2014 16:59, Tom OWEN wrote:

The “Non-standard race tie options” was not checked. However, I checked it and verified that the “Average points(standard Appendix A)” was checked, did a rescore, and still got the same results. Can you try the .blw on your system?

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Check to see if “Non-standard race tie options”. If it is checked make sure that “Average points (standard Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected ti me. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

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Works like a champ.

Thanks,

Tom

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:43 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Hi Tom / Huw

Version 2.14.8 is at

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/220425/sailwave.exe

This should fix this issue, if you would like to give it a try.

This has reverted the change to fix the issue when flights are in use and there is only one finisher in each. So that is a known issue which I will fix shortly but this has existed for many years and not caused a major problem.

Jon

Jon Eskdale

Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 12 March 2014 18:25, Tom OWEN towen999@msn.com wrote:

Great response. Thanks for the feedback and investigation.

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:59 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Tom,

I have done some tests and you have found a scoring problem :frowning:

I have changed versions of Sailwave and tested scoring, my findings are

  • 2.9.7 scores the tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5
  • 2.12.3 scores tied boats with average points of the two positions, i.e. 1.5
  • 2.13.4 and subsequent versions scores tied boats with points equal to the higher position, i.e.1.0

Hopefully Jon will see this and start investigating, find out what has happened between versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+ versions and correct the problem.

Short term fix is to go back to using Sailwave version 2.12.3.
Kind regards,
Huw

On 12/03/2014 16:59, Tom OWEN wrote:

The “Non-standard race tie options” was not checked. However, I checked it and verified that the “Average points(standard Appendix A)” was checked, did a rescore, and still got the same results. Can you try the .blw on your system?

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Check to see if “Non-standard race tie options”. If it is checked make sure that “Average points (standard Appendix A)” is checked in the Race-tie resolution section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring [1 Attachment]

I am using PHRF ToT (use A and B fields) with A = 700 and B = 550 as the rating system. There are 2 boats that have the same corrected ti me. I also use Apply IASF Appendix A8.1 and Apply IASF Appendix A8.2. The score for the two boats is 1, when I believe they should be 1.5 based on RRS 2013-2016 Appendix A7. Am I doing something wrong? Attached is a sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

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Hi Jon & Tom,

the file at the link you gave (Sailwave beta version 2-14-8) scores
the tied boats on corrected time with average points, i.e. 1.5.

If non-standard race ties option is switched on and equal points

selected and set on race scoring tab of scoring systems, the boats
get 1.0 points.

Kind regards,
Huw
···

On 12/03/2014 18:42, Jon Eskdale wrote:

Hi Tom / Huw

Version 2.14.8 is at

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/220425/sailwave.exe

            This should fix this issue, if you would like to give

it a try.

            This has reverted the change to fix the issue when

flights are in use and there is only one finisher in
each. So that is a known issue which I will fix shortly
but this has existed for many years and not caused a
major problem.

Jon

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

            On 12 March 2014 18:25, Tom OWEN

towen999@msn.com
wrote:

                            Great

response. Thanks for the feedback and
investigation.

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, March 12,
2014 1:59 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Race
Ties Scoring

Tom,

                              I have done some tests and you have

found a scoring problem :frowning:

                              I have changed versions of Sailwave

and tested scoring, my findings are

  •                                 2.9.7 scores the

    tied boats with average points of
    the two positions, i.e. 1.5

  •                                 2.12.3 scores

    tied boats with average points of
    the two positions, i.e. 1.5

  •                                 2.13.4  and

    subsequent versions scores tied
    boats with points equal to the
    higher position, i.e.1.0
    Hopefully Jon will
    see this and start investigating, find
    out what has happened between
    versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+ versions
    and correct the problem.

                                Short term fix is to go back to using

Sailwave version 2.12.3.
Kind regards,
Huw

                                On 12/03/2014

16:59, Tom OWEN wrote:

                                      The

“Non-standard race tie
options” was not checked.
However, I checked it and
verified that the “Average
points(standard Appendix A)”
was checked, did a rescore,
and still got the same
results. Can you try the .blw
on your system?

Tom

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of S
Mark Townsend
Sent: Wednesday,
March 12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Race Ties
Scoring

                                            Check to see if

“Non-standard race tie
options”. If it is
checked make sure that
“Average points
(standard Appendix A)”
is checked in the
Race-tie resolution
section.

Then click RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

                                            -----Original

Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Tom OWEN
Sent: Wednesday, March
12, 2014 8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Race
Ties Scoring [1
Attachment]

                                            I am using PHRF ToT

(use A and B fields)
with A = 700 and B = 550
as the rating system.
There are 2 boats that
have the same corrected
ti me. I also use Apply
IASF Appendix A8.1 and
Apply IASF Appendix
A8.2. The score for the
two boats is 1, when I
believe they should be
1.5 based on RRS
2013-2016 Appendix A7.
Am I doing something
wrong? Attached is a
sample .blw.

Thanks.

Tom

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Tom,

Great the problem you highlighted fixed, but back to drawing board

for Jon to find solution that works for both problems.

Kind regards,
Huw
···

On 12/03/2014 21:11, Tom OWEN wrote:

              Works like a

champ.

Thanks,

Tom

From:

                  [] Jon Eskdale

Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:43 PM
Re: [sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Hi Tom / Huw

Version 2.14.8 is at

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/220425/sailwave.exe

                      This should fix this issue,

if you would like to give it a try.

                      This has reverted the

change to fix the issue when flights are in
use and there is only one finisher in each.
So that is a known issue which I will fix
shortly but this has existed for many years
and not caused a major problem.

Jon

Jon Eskdale

Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

                      On 12 March 2014 18:25, Tom

OWEN <towen999@msn.com >
wrote:

                                    Great

response. Thanks for the
feedback and investigation.

Tom

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Huw
Pearce
Sent: Wednesday,
March 12, 2014 1:59 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[sailwave] Race Ties Scoring

Tom,

                                      I have done some tests and you

have found a scoring problem
:frowning:

                                      I hav e changed versions of

Sailwave and tested scoring,
my findings are

  •                                         2.9.7

    scores the tied boats with
    average points of the two
    positions, i.e. 1.5

  •                                         2.12.3

    scores tied boats with
    average points of the two
    positions, i.e. 1.5

  •                                         2.13.4

    and subsequent versions
    scores tied boats with
    points equal to the higher
    position, i.e.1.0
    Hopefully
    Jon will see this and start
    investigating, find out what
    has happened between
    versions2.12.3 and 2.13.x+
    versions and correct the
    problem.

                                        Short term fix is to go back

to using Sailwave version
2.12.3.
Kind regards,
Huw

                                        On

12/03/2014 16:59, Tom OWEN
wrote:

                                              The “Non-standard race tie

options” was not
checked. However, I
checked it and
verified that the
“Average
points(standard
Appendix A)” was
checked, did a
rescore, and still got
the same results. Can
you try the .blw on
your system?

Tom

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of S
Mark Townsend
Sent:
Wednesday, March
12, 2014 12:37 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
RE: [sailwave]
Race Ties Scoring

                                                    Check to see if

“Non-standard
race tie
options”. If it
is checked make
sure that
“Average points
(standard
Appendix A)” is
checked in the
Race-tie
resolution
section.

                                                    Then click

RESCORE.

Mark Townsend

                                                    Phone:

562-433-4366

                                                    Cell:

562-533-5909

Email:
s_mark_townsend@h
otmail.com

                                                    -----Original

Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Tom
OWEN
Sent: Wednesday,
March 12, 2014
8:44 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave] Race
Ties Scoring [1
Attachment]

                                                    I am using PHRF

ToT (use A and B
fields) with A =
700 and B = 550
as the rating
system. There
are 2 boats that
have the same
corrected ti me.
I also use Apply
IASF Appendix
A8.1 and Apply
IASF Appendix
A8.2. The score
for the two
boats is 1, when
I believe they
should be 1.5
based on RRS
2013-2016
Appendix A7. Am
I doing
something wrong?
Attached is a
sample .blw.

Thanks.

& nbsp;

Tom

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