Races to Qualify

Keith_Lomax · 28 February 2003 11:59

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

Regards

Keith Lomax

Crawley Mariners YC

ColinJenkins · 28 February 2003 12:40

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?
<

This is something I beaten up about quite often It’s on the list todo but I can’t give you any estimates. In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

Keith_Lomax · 28 February 2003 13:51

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

···

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From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?
<

This is something I beaten up about quite often It’s on the list todo but I can’t give you any estimates. In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

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ColinJenkins · 28 February 2003 14:01

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as I say in pathological examples… i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?
<

This is something I beaten up about quite often It’s on the list todo but I can’t give you any estimates. In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

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Keith_Lomax · 28 February 2003 15:31

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

···

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From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as I say in pathological examples… i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify? <

This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

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ColinJenkins · 28 February 2003 15:40

I would say both !

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as I say in pathological examples… i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify? <

This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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BHYC_Webmaster · 28 February 2003 15:43

FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not
show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS
(Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC
= Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

[mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday,
February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
DNC

I
would say both !

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···

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding
From: Keith Lomax
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding
DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is
it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ?
(After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday,
February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi
Keith,

If a
competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect
them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in
practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the
chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as
I say in pathological examples… i.e.
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original
Message-----
From: Keith Lomax
[mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to
Qualify

Off the hip, without working it
through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC
affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more
races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February
28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that
Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum
number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a
series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified,
whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have
failed to qualify? <

This is something I beaten up about
quite often It’s on the list todo but I can’t give you any
estimates. In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value,
which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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ColinJenkins · 28 February 2003 15:48

I thought DNS meant ‘came to the start area but did not start’ so if you don’t come to the start area you get DNC… one of us will look it up in a minute… CJ

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I would say both !

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as I say in pathological examples… i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Markus_P_Brinkrolf · 28 February 2003 16:01

Message
if you look in the rules (A11), you’ll find the difference…

DNC: did not start; did not come to the starting area

DNS: did not start (other than DNC and OCS)

so the abbrev. are clear, isn’t it?

/markus

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 16:49
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I thought DNS meant ‘came to the start area but did not start’ so if you don’t come to the start area you get DNC… one of us will look it up in a minute… CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I would say both !

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

  ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

  Hi Keith,

  I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

  This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

  Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Keith_Lomax · 28 February 2003 16:39

I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are scored DNC, OK.

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Bill Hunt

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I would say both !

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

  ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

  Hi Keith,

  I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

  This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

  Colin J

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Markus_P_Brinkrolf · 28 February 2003 16:49

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folks, you forget the starting area!!! it’s on the see and beside the starting line…

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Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are scored DNC, OK.

----- Original Message -----

From:
Bill Hunt

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay
Harbor Yacht Club

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I would say both !

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To:
Sailwave
Subject:
[sailwave] Understanding DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete' e.g. away on holiday

OR

'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

  ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

  Hi Keith,

  If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

  -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

  Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

    ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

    Hi Keith,

    I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

    This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

    Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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BHYC_Webmaster · 28 February 2003 16:54

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Perhaps I did not make myself clear. A
DNC is someone entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is
someone who came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I
also give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start one
of the races during a day but did start others due to either equipment or other
problems.

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Markus P Brinkrolf
[mailto:brinkrolf@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday,
February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]
Understanding DNC

folks, you forget the
starting area!!! it’s on the see and beside the starting line…

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Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003
17:39
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]
Understanding DNC

I agree with Bill Hunt and score on
the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member
(as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest
that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from
starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do
not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are scored DNC, OK.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Hunt

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February
28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Understanding DNC

FWIW, I disagree. I score
people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line
I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS =
Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins
[mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday,
February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]
Understanding DNC

I
would say both !

-----Original
Message-----
From: Keith Lomax
[mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February
2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding
DNC

What is the definition of DNC ? Is
it ‘Did not compete’ e.g. away on holiday

OR

‘Did not come to the start line’ ?
(After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February
28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi
Keith,

If a
competitor has an undiscarded DNC in their results - then yes it’ll affect
them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in
practice…? I would have thought that if you’re carrying a DNC, the
chances are your position isn’t going to be very good anyway… except as
I say in pathological examples… i.e.
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just a few boats racing.

CJ

-----Original
Message-----
From: Keith Lomax
[mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February
2003 13:51
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to
Qualify

Off the hip, without working it
through (earning a living at the moment!), won’t giving a high value to DNC
affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more
races in which they do not compete?

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday,
February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE:
[sailwave] Races to Qualify

Hi Keith,

I note that
Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum
number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a
series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified,
whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have
failed to qualify? <

This is something I beaten up about
quite often It’s on the list todo but I can’t give you any
estimates. In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value,
which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Markus_P_Brinkrolf · 28 February 2003 17:02

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for the DNS the boat has to be on the water directly in the starting area; if a boat is on land (maybe for special races you do a land start), it’s not in the starting area and you have to score it as dnc (also if she participates on all the other races the same day.

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From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. A DNC is someone entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is someone who came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I also give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start one of the races during a day but did start others due to either equipment or other problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Markus P Brinkrolf [mailto:brinkrolf@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

folks, you forget the starting area!!! it’s on the see and beside the starting line…

This email is virus free!

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are  scored DNC    , OK.

  ----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Hunt

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

  Bill Hunt

Boothbay
Harbor Yacht Club

  -----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  I would say both !

  -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete' e.g. away on holiday

OR

  'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

    ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

    Hi Keith,

    If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

    -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

    Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

      ----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

      Hi Keith,

      I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

      This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

      Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Simon_Smith · 28 February 2003 17:16

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DNC Did not start; did not come to the starting area
DNS Did not start
(other than DNC and OCS)
OCS Did not start; on the course side of the starting line and broke rule 29.1 or 30.1

http://www.sailing.org/rrs2001/appA.html

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

for the DNS the boat has to be on the water directly in the starting area; if a boat is on land (maybe for special races you do a land start), it’s not in the starting area and you have to score it as dnc (also if she participates on all the other races the same day.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

Perhaps I did not make myself clear.  A DNC is someone entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is someone who came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I also give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start one of the races during a day but did start others due to either equipment or other problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Markus P Brinkrolf [mailto:brinkrolf@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To:
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Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

folks, you forget the starting area!!! it's on the see and beside the starting line...

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From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are  scored DNC      , OK.

    ----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Hunt

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently  DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

    Bill Hunt

Boothbay
Harbor Yacht Club

    -----Original Message-----
From:
Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    I would say both !

    -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete' e.g. away on holiday

OR

    'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

      ----- Original Message -----

From:
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To:
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Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

      Hi Keith,

      If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

      -----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
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Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

      Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

        ----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

        Hi Keith,

        I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

        This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

        Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Markus_P_Brinkrolf · 28 February 2003 17:18

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this is, what i said…

···

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-----Original Message-----
From: simon smith [mailto:simon@smith.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 18:16
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

DNC Did not start ; did not come to the starting area

DNS Did not start
(other than DNC and OCS)

OCS Did not start ; on the course side of the starting line and broke rule 29.1 or 30.1

http://www.sailing.org/rrs2001/appA.html

----- Original Message -----

From:
Markus P Brinkrolf

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

for the DNS the boat has to be on the water directly in the starting area; if a boat is on land (maybe for special races you do a land start), it's not in the starting area and you have to score it as dnc (also if she participates on all the other races the same day.

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From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  Perhaps I did not make myself clear.  A DNC is someone entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is someone who came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I also give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start one of the races during a day but did start others due to either equipment or other problems.

  -----Original Message-----
From: Markus P Brinkrolf [mailto:brinkrolf@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  folks, you forget the starting area!!! it's on the see and beside the starting line...

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    -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
To:
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Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are  scored DNC        , OK.

      ----- Original Message -----

From:
Bill Hunt

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

      FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently – DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

      Bill Hunt

Boothbay
Harbor Yacht Club

      -----Original Message-----
From:
Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

      I would say both !

      -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

      What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete' e.g. away on holiday

OR

      'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

        ----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

        Hi Keith,

        If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

        -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

        Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

          ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

          Hi Keith,

          I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

          This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

          Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Martin_Bolgen · 4 March 2003 09:02

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I still agree with Bill… Well, if I should not I would need the definition of “starting area”.

I’ve been looking for it in the rules, but I have not found it… Haven’t even found that it is on sea…

So, can anyone give me the definition of starting area ?

(BTW: For those who start big fleets (optimsts !), it would be hard to score eiter DNS - DNC… )

/Martin

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:18 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

this is, what i said…

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-----Original Message-----
From: simon smith [mailto:simon@smith.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 18:16
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

DNC Did not start ; did not come to the starting area

DNS Did not start
(other than DNC and OCS)

OCS Did not start ; on the course side of the starting line and broke rule 29.1 or 30.1

http://www.sailing.org/rrs2001/appA.html

----- Original Message -----

From:
Markus P Brinkrolf

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  for the DNS the boat has to be on the water directly in the starting area; if a boat is on land (maybe for special races you do a land start), it's not in the starting area and you have to score it as dnc (also if she participates on all the other races the same day.

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From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    Perhaps I did not make myself clear.  A DNC is someone entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is someone who came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I also give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start one of the races during a day but did start others due to either equipment or other problems.

    -----Original Message-----
From:
Markus P Brinkrolf [mailto:brinkrolf@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    folks, you forget the starting area!!! it's on the see and beside the starting line...

    This email is virus free!

      -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

      I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race), and are  scored DNC          , OK.

        ----- Original Message -----

From:
Bill Hunt

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject:
RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

        FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did Not Start). And we do score them differently  DNS = Starters+1, DNC = Boats in Series +1.

        Bill Hunt

Boothbay
Harbor Yacht Club

        -----Original Message-----
From:
Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

        I would say both !

        -----Original Message-----
From:
Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

        What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete' e.g. away on holiday

OR

        'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

Regards

Keith

          ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

          Hi Keith,

          If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological examples is that a problem in practice...?  I would have thought that if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going to be very good anyway...  except as I say in pathological examples...  i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1  with just a few boats racing.

CJ

          -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

          Off the hip, without working it through (earning a living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races in which they do not compete?

            ----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

            Hi Keith,

            I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to qualify?

            This is something I beaten up about quite often :-)  It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates.  In the mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively has the same effect.

Regards,

            Colin J

www.sailwave.com

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Markus_P_Brinkrolf · 4 March 2003 13:36

after discussing with several national judges and umpires, here a
more clear explanation...

- DNC did not competition: did not come to the starting area, perhaps
waiting ashore, maybe he has done the inscription but never showed up
at the venue or the race office.

- DNS did not start (other than DNC and OCS): the starting-vessel has
noticed him in the starting area, but he has not crossed the starting
line at time and didn't join the race.

- OCS did not start; on the course side of the starting line and broke
rule 29.1 or 30.1: the boat didn't take the penalty that means he
hasn't returned behind the starting line to start correctly.

for me the starting area is the area windward or leeward around the
starting-vessel and starting line (whereever the starting line is
located).

I don't know where the probleme should be in understanding the
term 'starting area' (a definition doesn't exist, but normally should
be clear in understanding)...

/markus

ps: i'm off of this discussion now, because this should be clear for
every race officer or judge doing races...

MessageI still agree with Bill.... Well, if I should not I would

need the definition of "starting area".

I've been looking for it in the rules, but I have not found it....

Haven't even found that it is on sea....

So, can anyone give me the definition of starting area ?

(BTW: For those who start big fleets (optimsts !), it would be hard

to score eiter DNS - DNC... )

/Martin
  From: Markus P Brinkrolf
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

  this is, what i said...

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    From: simon smith [mailto:simon@s…]
    Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 18:16
    To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

    a.. DNC Did not start; did not come to the starting area
    a.. DNS Did not start (other than DNC and OCS)
    a.. OCS Did not start; on the course side of the starting line

and broke rule 29.1 or 30.1

    http://www.sailing.org/rrs2001/appA.html
      From: Markus P Brinkrolf
      To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM
      Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

      for the DNS the boat has to be on the water directly in the

starting area; if a boat is on land (maybe for special races you do a
land start), it's not in the starting area and you have to score it
as dnc (also if she participates on all the other races the same day.

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        From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@b…]
        Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:54
        To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

        Perhaps I did not make myself clear. A DNC is someone

entered in the series who did not race that day. A DNS is someone who
came to the starting area but did not start a particular race. I also
give a DNS (right, wrong or indifferent) to someone who did not start
one of the races during a day but did start others due to either
equipment or other problems.

        From: Markus P Brinkrolf [mailto:brinkrolf@g…]
        Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:49 AM
        To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

        folks, you forget the starting area!!! it's on the see and

beside the starting line...

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          From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@d…]
          Sent: Freitag, 28. Februar 2003 17:39
          To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

          I agree with Bill Hunt and score on the same basis. The

abbreviations DNC and DNS are ambiguous as to whether the member (as
opposed to the competitor) actually competes. Both DNC and DNS
suggest that the member has entered the race and for some reason is
prevented from starting or fails to start. Fortunately Sailwave seems
to handle those who do not compete (i.e. do not enter for the race),
and are scored DNC, OK.

            From: Bill Hunt

            To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

            Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:43 PM

            Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

            FWIW, I disagree. I score people who not show up at all

as DNC. People who did not come to the start line I give a DNS (Did
Not Start). And we do score them differently - DNS = Starters+1, DNC
= Boats in Series +1.

            Bill Hunt

            Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

            From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@s…]
            Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
            To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

            I would say both !

            From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@d…]
            Sent: 28 February 2003 15:32
            To: Sailwave
            Subject: [sailwave] Understanding DNC

            What is the definition of DNC ? Is it 'Did not compete'

e.g. away on holiday

            OR

            'Did not come to the start line' ? (After signing on?)

            Regards

            Keith

              From: Colin Jenkins

              To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

              Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:01 PM

              Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

              Hi Keith,

              If a competitor has an *undiscarded* DNC in their

results - then yes it'll affect them, but apart from pathological
examples is that a problem in practice...? I would have thought that
if you're carrying a DNC, the chances are your position isn't going
to be very good anyway... except as I say in pathological
examples... i.e. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,DNC,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 with just
a few boats racing.

              CJ

              From: Keith Lomax [mailto:keithlomax@d…]
              Sent: 28 February 2003 13:51
              To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

              Off the hip, without working it through (earning a

living at the moment!), won't giving a high value to DNC affect those
who do qualify, but nevertheless may score DNC for one or more races
in which they do not compete?

                From: Colin Jenkins

                To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

                Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40 PM

                Subject: RE: [sailwave] Races to Qualify

                Hi Keith,

                > I note that Sailwave scores points/positions for

all entrants in a series. Where a minimum number of races must be
sailed to qualify, can Sailwave, at the end of a series, show only
points/positions for those who have qualified, whilst still
displaying positions in individual races for those who have failed to
qualify? <

This is something I beaten up about quite often :-

) It's on the list todo but I can't give you any estimates. In the
mean time you could set DNC to a very high value, which effectively
has the same effect.

                Regards,

                Colin J

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