ratings ulpload and csv import of competitors

Hi Mark,

When importing the competitors you should be able to ignore the ratings.
i.e. when you score the appropriate rating will be pulled in from the rating
files. I can't make this fail - I cleared the class, rating and winrat
fields in a series, then set the class to "Dart 18 Sloop" for all
competitors and then scored and the default rating and wind rats for each
competitor was then set.

I know it's a bit ugly at the present but I can't make what is there fail.

I'll add the manual rating update tool ASAP. But a single rating value in a
competitor is too limited now that you can score by different rating
systems; I need a different model.

I was thinking of moving the rating values from the competitor (and race) to
a single ratings window for each series. In this window you can define
class specific, competitor specific and race-competitor specific ratings and
Sailwave will use the most specific one it has. The whole thing would be
paddde from the rating files, so for many series setting up ratings would
not be an issue. Think of it as a series of 'rules' that fire to get a
rating and a competitor, the most specific rule wins.

I think this is now more meaningful than the 'distributed' user interface
we have now with rating values shown in each competitor and then each race.
Sailwave could feedback in those places but the user interface itself would
be in one place.

Does that that sound better to you....?

Colin

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From: Mark Schneider [mailto:mschneid@msn.com]
Sent: 04 September 2005 03:29
To: colin@sailwave.com
Subject: ratings ulpload and csv import of competitors

Hi Colin

The problem only occurs when you import a competitor using a csv file.

You can properly map the competitor entry screen with all the
info that you
have in the csv file . All of the files will be populated except the
ratings fields.

The problem is that if you map the boat class field with a name
that matches
to a boat class in your sailwave database you won't be able to
pull in the
rating.

If you set up a scoring system and use it to score the race... It
does not
switch to the rating system .. load the rating data and then score the
race... the rating screen for that race is still empty.

In fact, to update the rating, you must switch the boat class to a random
boat and then select the proper boat and it will import the
rating. So you
have to do this one by one.
(PIA)

I don't know that if you have a proper competitor with a proper rating if
the program will switch to another rating system when you apply it and
rescore.

Now... I could map the sailors self reported rating to the rating
field with
import csv feature. This will enter the single self reported DPN number
into the rating field and I can score the race using this rating number.

With PHRF and IRC ratings� this system might not be a problem
because the
competitor is likely to know his proper rating and not make an error in
registration� So� you can import their rating into sailwave and
assume that
everything will be OK.

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Hi Colin,

OK... I am stumped.
I can't get it to work without finding a way to have the rating loaded into a cell before I hit score series. It does not import ratings when I hit score series.

In 1.57 I map the fields. I do not import a rating. I hit update ratings and the proper ratings are loaded and off I go.

So I must be making an error in 1.84 . Ok... in 1.84 How do I repeat what you have just told me. I have nothing in rating and winrat after I import the CSV file into saiiwave 1.84 The boat class field is populated with a variety of boats. helm and crew sail number etc are all correct.

The edit all competitors tool in 1.57 is now missing so I can't change every compeitor en mass to
to dart 18 sloop since this tool is not included into 1.84 (I think)

I do agree If I edit each competitor and CHANGE their boat class to Dart 18 sloop from what ever was imported from the csv file. the rating is sucked into the program and off you go.

The problem is that if I enter some results in elapsed time and then hit score series with the imported boat class in the field... the ratings matching the boat class is not updated and not used to score a series.

What am I missing here.

Mark

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When importing the competitors you should be able to ignore the ratings.

i.e. when you score the appropriate rating will be pulled in from the rating

files.� I can't make this fail - I cleared the class, rating and winrat

fields in a series, then set the class to "Dart 18 Sloop" for all

competitors and then scored and the default rating and wind rats for each

competitor was then set.

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Hi Mark,

OK... I am stumped.
I can't get it to work without finding a way to have the rating
loaded into
a cell before I hit score series. It does not import ratings when I hit
score series.

Are you *sure* the scoring system that you're applying has the "set
competitor ratings..." flag set in the ratings tab... (sorry but it's worth
checking).

In 1.57 I map the fields. I do not import a rating. I hit
update ratings
and the proper ratings are loaded and off I go.

I'll add the menual update back - there's a complication now that more than
one scoring system can be applied etc which it why it disappeared - I need
to work on the complication.

So I must be making an error in 1.84 . Ok... in 1.84 How do I
repeat what
you have just told me. I have nothing in rating and winrat after
I import
the CSV file into saiiwave 1.84 The boat class field is populated with a
variety of boats. helm and crew sail number etc are all correct.
The edit all competitors tool in 1.57 is now missing so I can't
change every
compeitor en mass to
to dart 18 sloop since this tool is not included into 1.84 (I think)

It's been made more powerful and it migrated to the tools menu -
tools+SetCompetitorField.

I do agree If I edit each competitor and CHANGE their boat class
to Dart 18
sloop from what ever was imported from the csv file. the rating
is sucked
into the program and off you go.

The problem is that if I enter some results in elapsed time and then hit
score series with the imported boat class in the field... the ratings
matching the boat class is not updated and not used to score a series.
What am I missing here.

Nothing as far as I can tell. I don't understand. Try the Dart 19 Sloop
experiment after checking the scoring system check box mentiioned and see if
that works. In the mean time I'll try and get the manual update tool back.

Apologies for the hassles...

Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Ssssh

OH... THAT BUTTON.....

Never mind...

Sorry about that... I never saw that button staring me in the face...

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Take Care
Mark

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From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [sailwave] RE: ratings ulpload and csv import of competitors
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:58:40 +0100

Hi Mark,

> OK... I am stumped.

> I can't get it to work without finding a way to have the rating

> loaded into

> a cell before I hit score series.� It does not import ratings when I hit

> score series.

Are you *sure* the scoring system that you're applying has the "set

competitor ratings..." flag set in the ratings tab...� (sorry but it's worth

checking).

> In 1.57� I map the fields.� I do not import a rating.� I hit

> update ratings

> and the proper ratings are loaded� and off I go.

I'll add the menual update back - there's a complication now that more than

one scoring system can be applied etc which it why it disappeared - I need

to work on the complication.

> So I must be making an error in 1.84 .� Ok... in 1.84� How do I

> repeat what

> you have just told me.� I have nothing in rating and winrat after

> I import

> the CSV file into saiiwave 1.84� The boat class field is populated with a

> variety of boats.� helm and crew sail number etc are all correct.

> The edit all competitors tool in 1.57 is now missing so I can't

> change every

> compeitor� en mass to

> to dart 18 sloop since this tool is not included into 1.84� (I think)

It's been made more powerful and it migrated to the tools menu -

tools+SetCompetitorField.

> I do agree� If I edit each competitor and CHANGE their boat class

> to Dart 18

> sloop from what ever was imported from the csv file.� the rating

> is sucked

> into the program and off you go.

>

> The problem is that if I enter some results in� elapsed time and then hit

> score series with the imported boat class in the field... the ratings

> matching the boat class is not updated and not used to score a series.

> What am I missing here.

Nothing as far as I can tell.� I don't understand.� Try the Dart 19 Sloop

experiment after checking the scoring system check box mentiioned and see if

that works.� In the mean time I'll try and get the manual update tool back.

Apologies for the hassles...

Colin

www.sailwave.com

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:slight_smile:
Still needs the manual update - so that stuff can be published before
scoring - I'll try and do it tomorrow.
CJ

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Mark Schneider
Sent: 08 September 2005 14:50
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] RE: ratings ulpload and csv import of
competitors

Ssssh

OH... THAT BUTTON.....

Never mind...

Sorry about that... I never saw that button staring me in the face...

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Take Care
Mark

>From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
>Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
>To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [sailwave] RE: ratings ulpload and csv import of competitors
>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:58:40 +0100
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> > OK... I am stumped.
>
> > I can't get it to work without finding a way to have the rating
>
> > loaded into
>
> > a cell before I hit score series.� It does not import ratings
when I hit
>
> > score series.
>
>
>
>Are you *sure* the scoring system that you're applying has the "set
>
>competitor ratings..." flag set in the ratings tab...� (sorry but it's
>worth
>
>checking).
>
>
>
> > In 1.57� I map the fields.� I do not import a rating.� I hit
>
> > update ratings
>
> > and the proper ratings are loaded� and off I go.
>
>
>
>I'll add the menual update back - there's a complication now
that more than
>
>one scoring system can be applied etc which it why it
disappeared - I need
>
>to work on the complication.
>
>
>
> > So I must be making an error in 1.84 .� Ok... in 1.84� How do I
>
> > repeat what
>
> > you have just told me.� I have nothing in rating and winrat after
>
> > I import
>
> > the CSV file into saiiwave 1.84� The boat class field is
populated with
>a
>
> > variety of boats.� helm and crew sail number etc are all correct.
>
> > The edit all competitors tool in 1.57 is now missing so I can't
>
> > change every
>
> > compeitor� en mass to
>
> > to dart 18 sloop since this tool is not included into 1.84� (I think)
>
>
>
>It's been made more powerful and it migrated to the tools menu -
>
>tools+SetCompetitorField.
>
>
>
> > I do agree� If I edit each competitor and CHANGE their boat class
>
> > to Dart 18
>
> > sloop from what ever was imported from the csv file.� the rating
>
> > is sucked
>
> > into the program and off you go.
>
> >
>
> > The problem is that if I enter some results in� elapsed time and then
>hit
>
> > score series with the imported boat class in the field... the ratings
>
> > matching the boat class is not updated and not used to score a series.
>
> > What am I missing here.
>
>
>
>Nothing as far as I can tell.� I don't understand.� Try the Dart 19 Sloop
>
>experiment after checking the scoring system check box
mentiioned and see
>if
>
>that works.� In the mean time I'll try and get the manual update
tool back.
>
>
>
>Apologies for the hassles...
>
>
>
>Colin
>
>www.sailwave.com
>
>
>
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