Regatta rating files

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Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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Hi Jon
Is this essentially SWPH incorporated into Sailwave? If it is, then I look forward with considerable interest to what 'rule' (or rules) the RYA is going for :wink:
I have run a club PH system for a good few years (IMO, PH in dinghies is very similar to cruiser racing in that no two boat/crew packages perform the same), so if you'd like some basic testing done I could throw some real results at it - provided it can handle average lap racing.
Cheers
Mike
Lancing SC

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:

Now the Good News:-

Version 2.9 of Sailwave which is getting close to release does support the required mechanism. You may have read an announcement by the RYA if not here is a link to it > http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/enewsletters/theclubroom/december2012/Pages/Changeoftackforcruiserracing.aspx

This is their new National Handicap for Cruisers scheme.

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Hi Mike,

It is essentially SWPH incorporated into Sailwave but greatly extended and much easier to use. There is no separate program to run it all happens when you hit the Score series or Rescore button. And it always rescores all the races just in case you’ve made a change to one of the earlier races. It doesn’t currently handle average lap racing but I don’t think that would take me more than an hour or so to add as I’m already messaging the laps to the program but currently ignoring them. Spoke with the RYA this afternoon they are posting on their Website today an update on the NHC. Once I get a link I’ll post it here. It works doing dual or triple scoring using Aliases automatically. As I said it supports Club mode and Regatta Mode. Both are support doing internal calculations without Excel but both modes have an option to use Excel to do the calculation using the supplied templates. In Excel mode you can see and check the full calculations and as long as you are proficient enough with Excel you could write these templates to do any form of Handicapping you want. I think its quite exciting anyway!!

The official release date is the 1st of March from the RYA and they are keen that full details are not released to the Press until then. However it does need some testing so I’ll drop you a private email later this week if that’s OK with you Mike

Thanks

Jon

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On 20 February 2013 14:15, Mike mike.croker@phonecoop.coop wrote:

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale wrote:

Now the Good News:-

Version 2.9 of Sailwave which is getting close to release does support the required mechanism. You may have read an announcement by the RYA if not here is a link to it > http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/enewsletters/theclubroom/december2012/Pages/Changeoftackforcruiserracing.aspx

This is their new National Handicap for Cruisers scheme.

Hi Jon

Is this essentially SWPH incorporated into Sailwave? If it is, then I look forward with considerable interest to what ‘rule’ (or rules) the RYA is going for :wink:

I have run a club PH system for a good few years (IMO, PH in dinghies is very similar to cruiser racing in that no two boat/crew packages perform the same), so if you’d like some basic testing done I could throw some real results at it - provided it can handle average lap racing.

Cheers

Mike

Lancing SC

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Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

···

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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Hi Rob,

If your rating file has VY as the first parameter in the line then the rating must be a VY rating in the order of 100 ( yours is in the order of 1). You need to correct this.

All you need is the the default scoring system set to VY and create an exception for the one other fleet. In the file you sent me you had the default plus 4 exceptions you only need the 1.

Make sure the rating files are correct and you should be OK

If you would like to send me the files after you have made the changes if you still have a problem. I’ll look at them again for you.

Jon

···

On 23 February 2013 10:20, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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Thanks Jon,

Can you see where I have made a mistake in my files?

I think that I have done all that is necessary, but still get a wrong calculation for the TCF for the trailable yachts.

The file I am sending is a testing file, with no real data in it yet.

Cheers

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 23:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

If your rating file has VY as the first parameter in the line then the rating must be a VY rating in the order of 100 ( yours is in the order of 1). You need to correct this.

All you need is the the default scoring system set to VY and create an exception for the one other fleet. In the file you sent me you had the default plus 4 exceptions you only need the 1.

Make sure the rating files are correct and you should be OK

If you would like to send me the files after you have made the changes if you still have a problem. I’ll look at them again for you.

Jon

On 23 February 2013 10:20, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
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Hi Rob,

You still have 4 Fleets for the overrides I would only expect to see the one override fleet.

All you need is the one default with 1 override for the fleet with TCF

Jon

···

On 23 February 2013 12:34, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Jon,

Can you see where I have made a mistake in my files?

I think that I have done all that is necessary, but still get a wrong calculation for the TCF for the trailable yachts.

The file I am sending is a testing file, with no real data in it yet.

Cheers

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 23:00

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

If your rating file has VY as the first parameter in the line then the rating must be a VY rating in the order of 100 ( yours is in the order of 1). You need to correct this.

All you need is the the default scoring system set to VY and create an exception for the one other fleet. In the file you sent me you had the default plus 4 exceptions you only need the 1.

Make sure the rating files are correct and you should be OK

If you would like to send me the files after you have made the changes if you still have a problem. I’ll look at them again for you.

Jon

On 23 February 2013 10:20, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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You will pleased to know that I have fixed this now, thank you.

I created a new file, and canned the old file that I was changing and it just worked

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2013 1:05
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

You still have 4 Fleets for the overrides I would only expect to see the one override fleet.

All you need is the one default with 1 override for the fleet with TCF

Jon

On 23 February 2013 12:34, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Jon,

Can you see where I have made a mistake in my files?

I think that I have done all that is necessary, but still get a wrong calculation for the TCF for the trailable yachts.

The file I am sending is a testing file, with no real data in it yet.

Cheers

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 23:00

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

If your rating file has VY as the first parameter in the line then the rating must be a VY rating in the order of 100 ( yours is in the order of 1). You need to correct this.

All you need is the the default scoring system set to VY and create an exception for the one other fleet. In the file you sent me you had the default plus 4 exceptions you only need the 1.

Make sure the rating files are correct and you should be OK

If you would like to send me the files after you have made the changes if you still have a problem. I’ll look at them again for you.

Jon

On 23 February 2013 10:20, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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Great news thanks for letting us know. Don’t hesitate to ask if you need any help.

Jon

···

On 24 February 2013 08:10, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

You will pleased to know that I have fixed this now, thank you.

I created a new file, and canned the old file that I was changing and it just worked

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2013 1:05

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

You still have 4 Fleets for the overrides I would only expect to see the one override fleet.

All you need is the one default with 1 override for the fleet with TCF

Jon

On 23 February 2013 12:34, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Jon,

Can you see where I have made a mistake in my files?

I think that I have done all that is necessary, but still get a wrong calculation for the TCF for the trailable yachts.

The file I am sending is a testing file, with no real data in it yet.

Cheers

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 23:00

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

If your rating file has VY as the first parameter in the line then the rating must be a VY rating in the order of 100 ( yours is in the order of 1). You need to correct this.

All you need is the the default scoring system set to VY and create an exception for the one other fleet. In the file you sent me you had the default plus 4 exceptions you only need the 1.

Make sure the rating files are correct and you should be OK

If you would like to send me the files after you have made the changes if you still have a problem. I’ll look at them again for you.

Jon

On 23 February 2013 10:20, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Hi Jon,

I have been fiddling more, but cannot get one file to do both scoring systems.

See my responses to your remarks below:

Cheers

Rob Morton

88 Woodlands Lane, Bald Hills

Postal addres (P.O. Box 185)

Pambula NSW 2549

Phone: 02 6495 7414 Fax: 02 6495 7139 Mobile: 0428 246 903

email: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:48

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

The first problem I see is that the file CBH as CBH.csv which is marked as Class Based Handicpa for Trailable yachts

has VY ratings in it according to the first parameter of the line but the rating value looks like a TCF rating

Yes, the ‘parent’ rating system is VY as that is what 3 of the four fleets will be using, but I have unticked the inherit checkbox, which I assume would stop it inheriting the rating system, allowing me to make my own.

VY ratings I would expect to be in the order of 100 and TCF to be in the order of 1

True

I’m guessing but suspect you want to change the VY’s

I have tried this, by changing all to custom and writing the formula c=e100/r for the 3 VY fleets and c=er for the trailable yachts. I had no rating formula for the ‘parent’ rating for this, and I got a ‘missing expression’ error message, and no calculations for the corrected times, despite putting the formula in for each fleet

You have set up 5 scoring systems but only seem to need 2

I think that I have only set up 2 scoring systems?

You would have the default scoring system to be configured for VY ratings and then add another that overrides the rating to be TCF and you just specify which fleet this is

I think this is what I have done, the way that I organised the TCF system was to edit that fleet, make sure that the inherit was unticked and chose TCF (another trial was to change that to custom and use the equation c=r*e), both methods apply the VY to the trailable yachts. I am stumped!

Let me know if I have understood correctly and if this helps or if you would like further assistance.

Jon

On 20 February 2013 12:11, Rob Morton robmorton@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Thanks Huw (and anyone else who would like to help),

I would very much appreciate someone having a look at what I am doing wring.

Please find my .blw and .csv files attached

Regards

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi Rob,

I have in the past successfully had a single Sailwave which used two different rating systems, PY & SCHRS. So I would expect Sailwave to be able to handle multiple rating systems within one .BLW file.

To further complicate matters I also had two different scoring profiles I switched between, Low Point & High Point.

Like Jon has offered, I am also willing to look at your .BLW file and see if I can spot anything.

Won’t be able to look at file if you send it through before Friday as off to Manchester University with son for his interview day.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 18/02/2013 20:08, Rob Morton wrote:

Thanks Jon,

I have trouble with my yahoo accounts, I did look for your response on the forum and replied there too.

What you describe is exactly what I did, which seemed to work. I put in some dummy results to check and I get some incredibly long corrected times (being 6:18:33:17) for my simple c=e*r formula, despite the formula testing correctly. I could send you this file along with my ratings files, if you could have a chance to see what I have done wrong.

On a note about the .csv ratings files (this is what I posted back from that account I should not use, so probably did not get to you):

Having more than one .csv file in the ratings folder does work, but I found out by testing that all the .csv files need to have ‘VY’ as the rating system code (or maybe all the same, at least). I have 3 ratings files, the vy file available on the sailwave download, thank you, and the CBH (Class Based Handicap used for trailable yachts) file and the KBY (Koonawarra Bay Yardstick for catamarans). I initially had the rating system code as ‘TCF’ for the CBH and the KBY, but could not see that information from the boat class field in the edit competitor window. When I changed the rating system code to R 16;VY’ that information became viewable.

I have been perplexed about the short list of boat class ratings separated by an empty line when looking for boat classes using the above method, and have noticed that the short extra list is created as new boats are added to a series. I find this a bit of a pain as I cannot type the first few letters to find the class, but have to scroll down to find it.

I hope this all makes sense

Rob Morton

Pambula NSW Australia

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 0:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Regatta rating files

Hi,
The email you sent me the last message from says it is no longer in use so I’m posting the reply here in the hope you will pick it up.
You can have multiple rating systems but you have to define the rules for which rating systems apply to which fleets
If you go to the Scoring system and then to the fleets tab you can create as many different fleets as you like and you can specify what defines the fleet. Then edit the fleet and go to the rating system tab for that fleet. Untick the Inherit box and select the scoring system you wish to use for this fleet. Repeat for any other fleets you have created.
Hope this helps
Jon
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “pambularob” wrote:

I am setting up for our regatta in 3 weeks time.
I would like to run the single sailwave file, but with 4 divisions:

  1. Slow monohulls, under Victorian yardstick (VY)
  2. Trailable yachts, under Class Based Handicap (CBH) (C=ExCBH)**> 3. Fast monohulls, under VY
  3. Catamarans, under VY, excpet the 14’ cats under Konawarra Bay Yardstick (KBY)
    I have setup 4 fleets as above in the sailwave file.
    I have made the rating system for division 2 to be not inherited, as I want to use a separate calculation.
    Can I have 2 (or more) csv files which sw searches for the ratins, or do I need to have one single csv file that it looks for?
    **

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