what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRS Appendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “* Number
of competitors in the series + 1*”
For series longer than regatta/short series Sailwave can change the
definition to match RRS Appendix A Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “* Number of
competitors in the race + 1*”
It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up by using the little
hand icon near bottom left of scoring codes tab in the edit scoring
system window.
Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is a recent RYA Racing
Rules Committee reply to a question raised which says SCP should
always be based on “Number of competitors in series”. However,
Sailwave by default for Long Series uses “* Number of competitors
in race + 1*”. So clubs should modify their SI’s appropriately.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 19/05/15 11:05, [sailwave] wrote:
what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks
very many thanks for that, much appreciated. That clears up club confusion /misunderstanding.
excuse my ignorance, but please be so kind to explain SCP
D
C. David Lack
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 May 2015 11:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] results protocol
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRS Appendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “Number of competitors in the series + 1”
For series longer than regatta/short series Sailwave can change the definition to match RRS Appendix A Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “Number of competitors in the race + 1”
It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up by using the little hand icon near bottom left of scoring codes tab in the edit scoring system window.
Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is a recent RYA Racing Rules Committee reply to a question raised which says SCP should always be based on “Number of competitors in series”. However, Sailwave by default for Long Series uses “Number of competitors in race + 1”. So clubs should modify their SI’s appropriately.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 19/05/15 11:05, cdg.l@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:
what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks
Hi David,
SCP is a scoring penalty under RRS 44.3 and is a percentage of the "* number
of competitors in the series + 1* " as recently decided by the
RYA Racing Rules Committee. However, Sailwave for Long Series events
defines it as the "number of competitors in the race + 1 "
actually number of boats considered starting the race.
RRS 44.3(c) says that SCP score shall not score worse than DNF.
The defined %age penalty in RRS 44.3(c) is 20% if nothing is written
in the SI’s
44.3 Scoring Penalty
* ©
The race score for a boat that takes a
ScoringPenalty shall bethe score she would have
received without that penalty, made worse by the
number of places stated in the sailing
instructions.However, she shall not be scored
worse than Did Not Finish. When the sailing
instructions do not state the number of places,the
number shall be the whole number (rounding
0.5upward) nearest to 20% of the number of boats
entered. The scores of other boats shall not be
changed; therefore, two boats may* * receive
the same score.*
FYI - Sailwave by default invokes the ISAF RRS Appendix A Short
Series and long series allocation of points to scoring codes with
the already highlighted exception of SCP in Long Series. But
Sailwave includes for each scoring code many options for the points
associated with that scoring code. However, note if they a club
changes from the default settings they should modify their SI’s
appropriately. Clubs should also for normal club series probably
modify their SI’s to say they are using Long Series scoring, i.e .
RRS Appendix A9, because if they do not then the ISAF RRS says Short
series is the default.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 19/05/2015 12:22, ‘David Lack’
[sailwave] wrote:
very many thanks for that, muchappreciated. That clears up club confusion
/misunderstanding.
excuse my ignorance, but pleasebe so kind to explain SCP
D
C. David Lack
Home 01202 732005
Mobile 07768 624000
From:
[] 19 May 2015 11:27Re: [sailwave] results protocol
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRSAppendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS,DNF etc score points equal to the
“* Number of competitors in the
series + 1*”
Forseries longer than regatta/short series Sailwave
can change the definition to match RRS Appendix A
Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “* Number
of competitors in the race + 1*”It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up byusing the little hand icon near bottom left of
scoring codes tab in the edit scoring system
window.Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is arecent RYA Racing Rules Committee reply to a
question raised which says SCP should always be
based on “Num ber of competitors in series”.
However, Sailwave by default for Long Series uses
"Number of competitors in race + 1 ". So
clubs should modify their SI’s appropriately.Kind regards, Huw
On19/05/15 11:05, cdg.l@sky.com
[sailwave] wrote:
what is the givennorm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came tostart but did not start
thanks
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wow, many thanks Huw,
……….this gets more and more complicated !
Parkstone guys – FYI
D
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 May 2015 13:04
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] results protocol
Hi David,
SCP is a scoring penalty under RRS 44.3 and is a percentage of the “number of competitors in the series + 1” as recently decided by the RYA Racing Rules Committee. However, Sailwave for Long Series events defines it as the “number of competitors in the race + 1” actually number of boats considered starting the race.
RRS 44.3© says that SCP score shall not score worse than DNF.
The defined %age penalty in RRS 44.3© is 20% if nothing is written in the SI’s
44.3 Scoring Penalty
© The race score for a boat that takes a ScoringPenalty shall bethe score she would have received without that penalty, made worse by the number of places stated in the sailing instructions.However, she shall not be scored worse than Did Not Finish. When the sailing instructions do not state the number of places,the number shall be the whole number (rounding 0.5upward) nearest to 20% of the number of boats entered. The scores of other boats shall not be changed; therefore, two boats may receive the same score.
FYI - Sailwave by default invokes the ISAF RRS Appendix A Short Series and long series allocation of points to scoring codes with the already highlighted exception of SCP in Long Series. But Sailwave includes for each scoring code many options for the points associated with that scoring code. However, note if they a club changes from the default settings they should modify their SI’s appropriately. Clubs should also for normal club series probably modify their SI’s to say they are using Long Series scoring, i.e. RRS Appendix A9, because if they do not then the ISAF RRS says Short series is the default.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 19/05/2015 12:22, ‘David Lack’ cdg.l@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:
very many thanks for that, much appreciated. That clears up club confusion /misunderstanding.
excuse my ignorance, but please be so kind to explain SCP
D
C. David Lack
Home 01202 732005
Mobile 07768 624000
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 19 May 2015 11:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] results protocol
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRS Appendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “Number of competitors in the series + 1”
For series longer than regatta/short series Sailwave can change the definition to match RRS Appendix A Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “Number of competitors in the race + 1”
It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up by using the little hand icon near bottom left of scoring codes tab in the edit scoring system window.
Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is a recent RYA Racing Rules Committee reply to a question raised which says SCP should always be based on “Num ber of competitors in series”. However, Sailwave by default for Long Series uses “Number of competitors in race + 1”. So clubs should modify their SI’s appropriately.Kind regards,
Huw
On 19/05/15 11:05, cdg.l@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:
what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks
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The description of the default in RRS Appendix A needs to be amended
slightly with respect to DNC boats, which is one of the things the
original poster was asking about.
The applicable rules are A4.2 and A9.
Per A4.2, the normal (i.e., default) rule is that DNC, DNS, DNF, RET or
DSQ are one more than the number of boats entered in the series. That
applies to a regatta (meaning a series consisting of races and/or lay
days held on consecutive days).
Per A9 that changes for a series that is longer than a regatta (for
example, 2 or more weekends or one race per week for multiple weeks or
months). In that case, a boat that doesn't come out to the starting area
for a race (in other words, is DNC) remains scored one more than the
number of boats entered in the series. The other relevant scoring codes
(DNS, DNF, RET or DSQ) are change to be one more than the number of
boats that came out to the starting area for that race. The idea is that
boats that at least attempt to start a race or do complete the race are
scored differently (more favorably) than those that never leave shore.
I'm not sure any longer what the default is under Sailwave as I think
I'd have to do a clean re-install to figure that out but Sailwave can
definitely implement the defaults in App. A when set up properly.
Art
···
On 5/19/2015 3:26 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRS Appendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the
"/Number of competitors in the series + 1/"For series longer than regatta/short series Sailwave can change the
definition to match RRS Appendix A Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the "/Number of competitors
in the race + 1/"It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up by using the little hand
icon near bottom left of scoring codes tab in the edit scoring system
window.Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is a recent RYA Racing
Rules Committee reply to a question raised which says SCP should always
be based on "Number of competitors in series". However, Sailwave by
default for Long Series uses "/Number of competitors in race + 1/". So
clubs should modify their SI's appropriately.Kind regards,
Huw
On 19/05/15 11:05, cdg.l@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks
thanks art, much appreciated.
I think I have it set up correctly now – I managed to change from short to long series.
It does take a lot of time to find all the various options and settings though, not especially user friendly for the un initiated.
D
C. David Lack
Home 01202 732005
Mobile 07768 624000
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 21 May 2015 05:05
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] results protocol
The description of the default in RRS Appendix A needs to be amended
slightly with respect to DNC boats, which is one of the things the
original poster was asking about.
The applicable rules are A4.2 and A9.
Per A4.2, the normal (i.e., default) rule is that DNC, DNS, DNF, RET or
DSQ are one more than the number of boats entered in the series. That
applies to a regatta (meaning a series consisting of races and/or lay
days held on consecutive days).
Per A9 that changes for a series that is longer than a regatta (for
example, 2 or more weekends or one race per week for multiple weeks or
months). In that case, a boat that doesn’t come out to the starting area
for a race (in other words, is DNC) remains scored one more than the
number of boats entered in the series. The other relevant scoring codes
(DNS, DNF, RET or DSQ) are change to be one more than the number of
boats that came out to the starting area for that race. The idea is that
boats that at least attempt to start a race or do complete the race are
scored differently (more favorably) than those that never leave shore.
I’m not sure any longer what the default is under Sailwave as I think
I’d have to do a clean re-install to figure that out but Sailwave can
definitely implement the defaults in App. A when set up properly.
Art
On 5/19/2015 3:26 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:
Hi,
Sailwave complies with the definitions in RRS Appendix A.
For short/regatta series and the Sailwave default:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the
“/Number of competitors in the series + 1/”For series longer than regatta/short series Sailwave can change the
definition to match RRS Appendix A Long series:
DNS, DNF etc score points equal to the “/Number of competitors
in the race + 1/”It is easy to change the scoring codes set-up by using the little hand
icon near bottom left of scoring codes tab in the edit scoring system
window.Note - with regard to scoring code SCP there is a recent RYA Racing
Rules Committee reply to a question raised which says SCP should always
be based on “Number of competitors in series”. However, Sailwave by
default for Long Series uses “/Number of competitors in race + 1/”. So
clubs should modify their SI’s appropriately.Kind regards,
Huw
On 19/05/15 11:05, cdg.l@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:what is the given norm for points results as in
a) retired
or
b) DNS ie came to start but did not start
thanks