Rinderle B issues

Willi_Hugelshofer · 3 September 2011 06:47

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

  I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

  All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

MalcolmO · 3 September 2011 11:06

I don’t know the details, but from previous correspodence, I recall that Sailwave calculates Rinderle values by means of a formula, thus arrives at a value approximately the same as the table value. This would account for the small difference as described.

Not sure about DNC or DNF values.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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Subject: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

      I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

      All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

ColinJenkins · 3 September 2011 15:30

Hi,

  The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are

independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they
are not

  So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and

choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can
review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you
want.

···

Regards,
Colin J

www.sailwave.com

      I am attempting to use the Rinderle B
scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

            I
understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but
Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

            All
Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to
the 2^nd finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave
awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences
for other combinations as well.

      Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside
Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

      Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and

DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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Willi_Hugelshofer · 3 September 2011 16:25

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the quick reply!

Your suggestion worked and I now get 0 points for DNF and DSQ:

My 2^nd question was regarding the discrepancy on 2^nd place in my example where Sailwave awards 83.6 points but the Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet all show a value of 83.0. I also noticed some other values which were different by a smaller .1 point between what Sailwave awards vs the Rinderle B tables (e.g. 8 boats, 2^nd place SW=78.4, Rinderle table=78.5). Malcolm Osborne said that he believes that you use a formula rather than a table lookup which could easily explain the .1 difference but the .6 difference seems too big for this explanation. Can your confirm and can this be modified?

Thanks again.

Willi.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:30 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Hi,

The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they are not

So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you want.

Regards,

Colin J

[www.sailwave.com](http://www.sailwave.com)

On 03/09/2011 07:47, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

1.       I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

<img border="0" width="503" height="238" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01CC6A1A.B8C8C0C0">

2.       All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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Calum_Polwart · 3 September 2011 17:01

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the quick reply!

Your suggestion worked and I now get 0 points for DNF and DSQ:

My 2^nd question was regarding the discrepancy on 2^nd place in my example where Sailwave awards 83.6 points but the Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet all show a value of 83.0. I also noticed some other values which were different by a smaller .1 point between what Sailwave awards vs the Rinderle B tables (e.g. 8 boats, 2^nd place SW=78.4, Rinderle table=78.5). Malcolm Osborne said that he believes that you use a formula rather than a table lookup which could easily explain the .1 difference but the .6 difference seems too big for this explanation. Can your confirm and can this be modified?

Thanks again.

Willi.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:30 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Hi,

The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they are not

So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you want.

Regards,

Colin J

[www.sailwave.com](http://www.sailwave.com)

On 03/09/2011 07:47, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

  I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

  All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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Calum_Polwart · 3 September 2011 17:06

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the quick reply!

Your suggestion worked and I now get 0 points for DNF and DSQ:

My 2^nd question was regarding the discrepancy on 2^nd place in my example where Sailwave awards 83.6 points but the Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet all show a value of 83.0. I also noticed some other values which were different by a smaller .1 point between what Sailwave awards vs the Rinderle B tables (e.g. 8 boats, 2^nd place SW=78.4, Rinderle table=78.5). Malcolm Osborne said that he believes that you use a formula rather than a table lookup which could easily explain the .1 difference but the .6 difference seems too big for this explanation. Can your confirm and can this be modified?

Thanks again.

Willi.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:30 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Hi,

The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they are not

So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you want.

Regards,

Colin J

[www.sailwave.com](http://www.sailwave.com)

On 03/09/2011 07:47, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

  I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

  All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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Willi_Hugelshofer · 3 September 2011 17:10

Here are the ones I found that show 83.0:

http://scituatesailing.com/Rinderle%20B%20Table.htm

http://www.csyc.org/rinderle_b_table.pdf

http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104247796082-68/Rinderle+B+Table.pdf

So there does not seem to be consensus.

Willi.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Calum Polwart
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:07 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from Calum Polwart included below]

And another reference that gives 83.6 - this one is very detailed to the origins and presents a formula…

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:01:06 +0100, Calum Polwart wrote:

I’ve got a reference here:

http://www.rmsail.org/Race_Mgt/rinderle-b.htm

that gives 83.6

Is there a definative answer?

C

On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:25:45 -0700, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the quick reply!

Your suggestion worked and I now get 0 points for DNF and DSQ:

My 2^nd question was regarding the discrepancy on 2^nd place in my example where Sailwave awards 83.6 points but the Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet all show a value of 83.0. I also noticed some other values which were different by a smaller .1 point between what Sailwave awards vs the Rinderle B tables (e.g. 8 boats, 2^nd place SW=78.4, Rinderle table=78.5). Malcolm Osborne said that he believes that you use a formula rather than a table lookup which could easily explain the .1 difference but the .6 difference seems too big for this explanation. Can your confirm and can this be modified?

Thanks again.

Willi.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:30 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Hi,

The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they are not

So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you want.

Regards,

Colin J

[www.sailwave.com](http://www.sailwave.com)

On 03/09/2011 07:47, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

  I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

  All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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Willi_Hugelshofer · 4 September 2011 03:06

I found the following note at http://styvechale.net/pdf/chips3.pdf

There are a small number of disagreements, the most notable at S2,10, where GMORA

(undated) has a value of 83.0 and Downing (2005) has 83.6. The latter is more likely to

be correct, the mistake a transcription error of a zero for a six. Other discrepancies can

be ascribed to rounding. Excluding the gross discrepancy of 0.6, out of the 10 differences

in the scores up to a fleet size of 18, all of ±0.1, 6 are positive and 4 are negative. The

differences in the two tables point to the existence of an earlier table from which these

were (ultimately) derived.

I feel that this explains the situation quite well and Sailwave seems to adopt it.

Thank you all for your assistance!

Willi.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Willi Hugelshofer
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:11 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Here are the ones I found that show 83.0:

http://scituatesailing.com/Rinderle%20B%20Table.htm

http://www.csyc.org/rinderle_b_table.pdf

http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104247796082-68/Rinderle+B+Table.pdf

So there does not seem to be consensus.

Willi.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Calum Polwart
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:07 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from Calum Polwart included below]

And another reference that gives 83.6 - this one is very detailed to the origins and presents a formula…

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:01:06 +0100, Calum Polwart wrote:

I’ve got a reference here:

http://www.rmsail.org/Race_Mgt/rinderle-b.htm

that gives 83.6

Is there a definative answer?

C

On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 09:25:45 -0700, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the quick reply!

Your suggestion worked and I now get 0 points for DNF and DSQ:

My 2^nd question was regarding the discrepancy on 2^nd place in my example where Sailwave awards 83.6 points but the Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet all show a value of 83.0. I also noticed some other values which were different by a smaller .1 point between what Sailwave awards vs the Rinderle B tables (e.g. 8 boats, 2^nd place SW=78.4, Rinderle table=78.5). Malcolm Osborne said that he believes that you use a formula rather than a table lookup which could easily explain the .1 difference but the .6 difference seems too big for this explanation. Can your confirm and can this be modified?

Thanks again.

Willi.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:30 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Rinderle B issues

Hi,

The selection of teh scoring system and the setup of the codes are independent. One could easily argue that they should be, but they are not

So go to the scoring system, codes tab, click the hand icon and choose high point. That gives you a starting point which you can review and edit each code appropriately if not quite what you want.

Regards,

Colin J

[www.sailwave.com](http://www.sailwave.com)

On 03/09/2011 07:47, Willi Hugelshofer wrote:

I am attempting to use the Rinderle B scoring system on Sailwave 2.02 build 3.

I have noticed 2 inconsistencies:

  I understood that 0 points should be awarded to DNF etc but Sailwave awards some points to DNF and DSQ:

  All Rinderle B tables I found on the Internet award 83.0 points to the 2<sup>nd</sup> finisher with 10 boats starting. Sailwave awards 83.6 points. I noticed some other smaller differences for other combinations as well.

Is the Rinderle B table hardcoded inside Sailwave or can it be modified externally?

Why does Sailwave award points to DNF and DSQ?

Thanks,

Willi.

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