Hi,
I am trying to process two race series.
The series run over the same set of days, one series in the morning and one in the afternoon.
I can load the series into the RYA online PY website and process them without problem. The processed races from both series show up in the "manage races" page.
The problem is with the "suggested handicaps" page - it only shows the results for one race per day. The excel file is the same. The average PY only takes account of one race per day.
I am using sailwave 2.00b7 - so not the most recent.
I have made sure that the "Event ID" fields in "series properties" and in the "upload to RYA" dialogues are unique between series.
Does anyone else suffer from the same problem?
Any suggestions for fixing it?
- updating my Sailwave installation might do it if changes were made to the uploaded data (XML?) since 2.00b7, but as I described above the RYA site recognises distinct races on the same day in some places.
Incidentally, I use dates in dd/mm/yyyy format and these get picked up ok.
I am pretty sure that the "suggested handicap" page of the PYS shows an
average for that day so it is using all of your results even though it
doesn't look like it is. I would need to check that though with Simon or
Bas, the guys behind the PYS site. So, please keep putting in all the
results you have for each day and don't worry too much about the "suggested
handicap" page. I use the "your return" page to look at the suggested
handicaps for our club. I find that page to have a lot more useful info on
it. You can make sure the website is using all of your results by checking
the number of races for each class on that page as you process them.
Hi,
I am trying to process two race series.
The series run over the same set of days, one series in the morning and one
in the afternoon.
I can load the series into the RYA online PY website and process them
without problem. The processed races from both series show up in the "manage
races" page.
The problem is with the "suggested handicaps" page - it only shows the
results for one race per day. The excel file is the same. The average PY
only takes account of one race per day.
I am using sailwave 2.00b7 - so not the most recent.
I have made sure that the "Event ID" fields in "series properties" and in
the "upload to RYA" dialogues are unique between series.
Does anyone else suffer from the same problem?
Any suggestions for fixing it?
- updating my Sailwave installation might do it if changes were made to the
uploaded data (XML?) since 2.00b7, but as I described above the RYA site
recognises distinct races on the same day in some places.
Incidentally, I use dates in dd/mm/yyyy format and these get picked up ok.
As Chris says the suggested number is the average of the races that day, so dont dispair and keeping loading in the races.
Paul
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: cgandy@tiscali.co.uk
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:57:00 +0000
Subject: RE: [sailwave] RYA online PYs site - 2 races on the same day don’t show in the PY summary
Mike,
I am pretty sure that the “suggested handicap” page of the PYS shows an
average for that day so it is using all of your results even though it
doesn’t look like it is. I would need to check that though with Simon or
Bas, the guys behind the PYS site. So, please keep putting in all the
results you have for each day and don’t worry too much about the “suggested
handicap” page. I use the “your return” page to look at the suggested
handicaps for our club. I find that page to have a lot more useful info on
it. You can make sure the website is using all of your results by checking
the number of races for each class on that page as you process them.
Hi,
I am trying to process two race series.
The series run over the same set of days, one series in the morning and one
in the afternoon.
I can load the series into the RYA online PY website and process them
without problem. The processed races from both series show up in the “manage
races” page.
The problem is with the “suggested handicaps” page - it only shows the
results for one race per day. The excel file is the same. The average PY
only takes account of one race per day.
I am using sailwave 2.00b7 - so not the most recent.
I have made sure that the “Event ID” fields in “series properties” and in
the “upload to RYA” dialogues are unique between series.
Does anyone else suffer from the same problem?
Any suggestions for fixing it?
updating my Sailwave installation might do it if changes were made to the
uploaded data (XML?) since 2.00b7, but as I described above the RYA site
recognises distinct races on the same day in some places.
Incidentally, I use dates in dd/mm/yyyy format and these get picked up ok.
Hi Chris and Paul,
thanks for your replies.
What you say may be true but I am having trouble interpreting the "Your Return" page.
I have loaded 2 races (same day, different series, 1st race from each series).
Looking on the "Your Return" page I am having difficulty with the BOATS/RACES/RACE Nos columns.
A Topper (the only one) competed in only the first of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Byte (the only one) competed in only the second of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Firefly (the only one) competed in both races, it shows as 1/1/1.
2 Solos competed, 1 in one race and 1 in the other, Solo shows as 2/1/1.
3 Wayfarers competed, #1 & #2 in one race, #2 and #3 in the other, Wayfarer shows as 3/2/1.
I can see that the BOATS column is showing the number of unique boats of each class (based on sail number or class+helm or similar) across all of the results.
If the tool has loaded all of the information from both races then I am struggling to interpret what RACES and RACE Nos mean (e.g. they have the same values for the Topper and the Firefly). Neither of these columns show the total number of races sailed by boats of that class (e.g. Solo, Wayfarer, Firefly)
It's almost as if the list of classes and the BOATS column is determined from both races but the RACES and RACE Nos is only for one race.
What are RACES and RACE Nos supposed to show?
Can you shed any more light on what I am seeing?
If you think everything is ok then maybe I'll load the rest of the 150-ish races, but at the moment I don't feel confident that all the data is being used.
BTW: I emailed Simon and Bas on Thursday about this but haven't heard back yet which is why I posted on this forum.
Mike, I have asked Simon Lovesey or Bas to try to find this post to make a comment.
However, I'll try and help in the meantime. Basically, I would agree with you and say something is amiss in the "your return" page results for your examples below. I have stuggled with these columns in the past myself and have found on the odd occasion they have taken a little while to catch up almost. As for the column meanings, as best i understand it they are:
"boats" - this is the number of different individual boats making up your results for any particular class, presumably controlled by sail number from sailwave entry.
"races" - I take this to be the total number of races that these boats in each class have finished for which you have entered data. So using your example below i think the wayfarer number in this column should be 4. I think this should be renamed race finshes perhaps.
"Race no's" - I think this is the total number of races for which you have had boats enter from that class. So again, using the wayfarer example below, i think that number should be 2.
Hope that helps, and hope Simon or Bas can find this to explain further.
Hi Chris and Paul,
thanks for your replies.
What you say may be true but I am having trouble interpreting the "Your Return" page.
I have loaded 2 races (same day, different series, 1st race from each series).
Looking on the "Your Return" page I am having difficulty with the BOATS/RACES/RACE Nos columns.
A Topper (the only one) competed in only the first of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Byte (the only one) competed in only the second of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Firefly (the only one) competed in both races, it shows as 1/1/1.
2 Solos competed, 1 in one race and 1 in the other, Solo shows as 2/1/1.
3 Wayfarers competed, #1 & #2 in one race, #2 and #3 in the other, Wayfarer shows as 3/2/1.
I can see that the BOATS column is showing the number of unique boats of each class (based on sail number or class+helm or similar) across all of the results.
If the tool has loaded all of the information from both races then I am struggling to interpret what RACES and RACE Nos mean (e.g. they have the same values for the Topper and the Firefly). Neither of these columns show the total number of races sailed by boats of that class (e.g. Solo, Wayfarer, Firefly)
It's almost as if the list of classes and the BOATS column is determined from both races but the RACES and RACE Nos is only for one race.
What are RACES and RACE Nos supposed to show?
Can you shed any more light on what I am seeing?
If you think everything is ok then maybe I'll load the rest of the 150-ish races, but at the moment I don't feel confident that all the data is being used.
BTW: I emailed Simon and Bas on Thursday about this but haven't heard back yet which is why I posted on this forum.
Chris,
thanks for your help with this.
I was coming to the same conclusion as you regarding the meanings of boats/races/race_nos., which is why I am confused by the displayed values.
I need to load in 140+ races for the returns by the end of the month but for the moment I'll leave my "account" in the current state so that Simon and Bas have the evidence at hand if they want to investigate further.
Mike, I have asked Simon Lovesey or Bas to try to find this post to make a comment.
However, I'll try and help in the meantime. Basically, I would agree with you and say something is amiss in the "your return" page results for your examples below. I have stuggled with these columns in the past myself and have found on the odd occasion they have taken a little while to catch up almost. As for the column meanings, as best i understand it they are:
"boats" - this is the number of different individual boats making up your results for any particular class, presumably controlled by sail number from sailwave entry.
"races" - I take this to be the total number of races that these boats in each class have finished for which you have entered data. So using your example below i think the wayfarer number in this column should be 4. I think this should be renamed race finshes perhaps.
"Race no's" - I think this is the total number of races for which you have had boats enter from that class. So again, using the wayfarer example below, i think that number should be 2.
Hope that helps, and hope Simon or Bas can find this to explain further.
Chris
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <radford.mike@> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris and Paul,
> thanks for your replies.
> What you say may be true but I am having trouble interpreting the "Your Return" page.
>
> I have loaded 2 races (same day, different series, 1st race from each series).
>
> Looking on the "Your Return" page I am having difficulty with the BOATS/RACES/RACE Nos columns.
>
> A Topper (the only one) competed in only the first of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> A Byte (the only one) competed in only the second of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> A Firefly (the only one) competed in both races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> 2 Solos competed, 1 in one race and 1 in the other, Solo shows as 2/1/1.
> 3 Wayfarers competed, #1 & #2 in one race, #2 and #3 in the other, Wayfarer shows as 3/2/1.
>
> I can see that the BOATS column is showing the number of unique boats of each class (based on sail number or class+helm or similar) across all of the results.
> If the tool has loaded all of the information from both races then I am struggling to interpret what RACES and RACE Nos mean (e.g. they have the same values for the Topper and the Firefly). Neither of these columns show the total number of races sailed by boats of that class (e.g. Solo, Wayfarer, Firefly)
>
> It's almost as if the list of classes and the BOATS column is determined from both races but the RACES and RACE Nos is only for one race.
>
> What are RACES and RACE Nos supposed to show?
> Can you shed any more light on what I am seeing?
> If you think everything is ok then maybe I'll load the rest of the 150-ish races, but at the moment I don't feel confident that all the data is being used.
>
> BTW: I emailed Simon and Bas on Thursday about this but haven't heard back yet which is why I posted on this forum.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
My conclusion is the same as yours, and I cant really suggest anything new.
For info, having got all of this years dinghy racing at my club into the RYA PYS system, I thought I’d have a go at getting our cruiser fleet results in, and this has proven to be a bit more of a pain.
For some reason the number of crew is required in the software and this needs to be consistent throughout unless you want a different handicap for having different numbers of crew but there is no way of selecting N/A.
The other thing is that I accidentally put in one series with the spinnaker set as Conventional, when I tried the next series it went in as C, as a result this created two seperate classes! The software definately needs to be able to handle Conventional or C as the same input if it is to continue with the option.
Anyway, its a bit of a struggle but hopefully with a few more users Baz and Simon will take our comments on board and improve the system.
Paul
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: radford.mike@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:02:08 +0000
Subject: [sailwave] Re: RYA online PYs site - 2 races on the same day don’t show in the PY summary
Chris,
thanks for your help with this.
I was coming to the same conclusion as you regarding the meanings of boats/races/race_nos., which is why I am confused by the displayed values.
I need to load in 140+ races for the returns by the end of the month but for the moment I’ll leave my “account” in the current state so that Simon and Bas have the evidence at hand if they want to investigate further.
Mike, I have asked Simon Lovesey or Bas to try to find this post to make a comment.
However, I’ll try and help in the meantime. Basically, I would agree with you and say something is amiss in the “your return” page results for your examples below. I have stuggled with these columns in the past myself and have found on the odd occasion they have taken a little while to catch up almost. As for the column meanings, as best i understand it they are:
“boats” - this is the number of different individual boats making up your results for any particular class, presumably controlled by sail number from sailwave entry.
“races” - I take this to be the total number of races that these boats in each class have finished for which you have entered data. So using your example below i think the wayfarer number in this column should be 4. I think this should be renamed race finshes perhaps.
“Race no’s” - I think this is the total number of races for which you have had boats enter from that class. So again, using the wayfarer example below, i think that number should be 2.
Hope that helps, and hope Simon or Bas can find this to explain further.
Hi Chris and Paul,
thanks for your replies.
What you say may be true but I am having trouble interpreting the “Your Return” page.
I have loaded 2 races (same day, different series, 1st race from each series).
Looking on the “Your Return” page I am having difficulty with the BOATS/RACES/RACE Nos columns.
A Topper (the only one) competed in only the first of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Byte (the only one) competed in only the second of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
A Firefly (the only one) competed in both races, it shows as 1/1/1.
2 Solos competed, 1 in one race and 1 in the other, Solo shows as 2/1/1.
3 Wayfarers competed, #1 & #2 in one race, #2 and #3 in the other, Wayfarer shows as 3/2/1.
I can see that the BOATS column is showing the number of unique boats of each class (based on sail number or class+helm or similar) across all of the results.
If the tool has loaded all of the information from both races then I am struggling to interpret what RACES and RACE Nos mean (e.g. they have the same values for the Topper and the Firefly). Neither of these columns show the total number of races sailed by boats of that class (e.g. Solo, Wayfarer, Firefly)
It’s almost as if the list of classes and the BOATS column is determined from both races but the RACES and RACE Nos is only for one race.
What are RACES and RACE Nos supposed to show?
Can you shed any more light on what I am seeing?
If you think everything is ok then maybe I’ll load the rest of the 150-ish races, but at the moment I don’t feel confident that all the data is being used.
BTW: I emailed Simon and Bas on Thursday about this but haven’t heard back yet which is why I posted on this forum.
Cheers,
Mike
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I have had a look at your club return and note that you have since added a few more races!
Can you please send me the SailWave files that you are concerned about and I will upload them and process them to see if there is an issue. A quick scan of the data shows the correct values.
Mike, I have asked Simon Lovesey or Bas to try to find this post to make a comment.
However, I'll try and help in the meantime. Basically, I would agree with you and say something is amiss in the "your return" page results for your examples below. I have stuggled with these columns in the past myself and have found on the odd occasion they have taken a little while to catch up almost. As for the column meanings, as best i understand it they are:
"boats" - this is the number of different individual boats making up your results for any particular class, presumably controlled by sail number from sailwave entry.
"races" - I take this to be the total number of races that these boats in each class have finished for which you have entered data. So using your example below i think the wayfarer number in this column should be 4. I think this should be renamed race finshes perhaps.
"Race no's" - I think this is the total number of races for which you have had boats enter from that class. So again, using the wayfarer example below, i think that number should be 2.
Hope that helps, and hope Simon or Bas can find this to explain further.
Chris
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <radford.mike@> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris and Paul,
> thanks for your replies.
> What you say may be true but I am having trouble interpreting the "Your Return" page.
>
> I have loaded 2 races (same day, different series, 1st race from each series).
>
> Looking on the "Your Return" page I am having difficulty with the BOATS/RACES/RACE Nos columns.
>
> A Topper (the only one) competed in only the first of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> A Byte (the only one) competed in only the second of the 2 races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> A Firefly (the only one) competed in both races, it shows as 1/1/1.
> 2 Solos competed, 1 in one race and 1 in the other, Solo shows as 2/1/1.
> 3 Wayfarers competed, #1 & #2 in one race, #2 and #3 in the other, Wayfarer shows as 3/2/1.
>
> I can see that the BOATS column is showing the number of unique boats of each class (based on sail number or class+helm or similar) across all of the results.
> If the tool has loaded all of the information from both races then I am struggling to interpret what RACES and RACE Nos mean (e.g. they have the same values for the Topper and the Firefly). Neither of these columns show the total number of races sailed by boats of that class (e.g. Solo, Wayfarer, Firefly)
>
> It's almost as if the list of classes and the BOATS column is determined from both races but the RACES and RACE Nos is only for one race.
>
> What are RACES and RACE Nos supposed to show?
> Can you shed any more light on what I am seeing?
> If you think everything is ok then maybe I'll load the rest of the 150-ish races, but at the moment I don't feel confident that all the data is being used.
>
> BTW: I emailed Simon and Bas on Thursday about this but haven't heard back yet which is why I posted on this forum.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>