Is there any way to lock out a sail number from the wizard. Scenario is that at our
event an OCS is an instant DSQ although the boats usually still sail the course. We
enter the DSQ immediatly in results but if you use the wizard it allows you to enter a
time for the same boat later on, is there any way to lock out the cell once its gone
DSQ or OCS thus preventing the overwrite and having to recheck for OCS boats??
TIA
michael
Hi Michael,
Is there any way to lock out a sail number from the wizard. Scenario is
that at our
event an OCS is an instant DSQ although the boats usually still sail the
course. We
enter the DSQ immediatly in results but if you use the wizard it allows you
to enter a
time for the same boat later on, is there any way to lock out the cell once
its gone
DSQ or OCS thus preventing the overwrite and having to recheck for OCS
boats??<
You can enter codes while running the sailno wizard - would that work for
you - i.e. enter OCS or DSQ instead on entering a time...
Regards,
Colin
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No, it won't work, the OCS is entered immediately after the start but the spotters will
still record a time if the boat sails the course and finishes. the original OCS will then
be overwritten by the time unless whoever is inputting can recall the sail numbers
with OCS, almost impossible on a 220 boat fleet. It would be really useful to have a
lock out on the race result with a promt asking inputter if they want to overwrite the
code already entered. Without this we have to go back through all the results and
reclassify the OCS boats.
Cheers
Michael
You can enter codes while running the sailno wizard - would that work for
you - i.e. enter OCS or DSQ instead on entering a time...Regards,
Colin
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As a mater of procedure you should always get the finish time of an OCS boat
If you do not then how will you score the competitor if the OCS is
overturned by a protest committee.
Rule 63.1 does not allow you to score a boat DSQ without a protest, they
should be scored OCS.
63.1 Requirement for a Hearing
A boat or competitor shall not be penalized without a protest hearing,
except as provided in rules 30.2, 30.3, 67, 69, A5 and N2. A decision on
redress shall not be made without a hearing. The protest committee shall
hear all protests and requests for redress that have been delivered to the
race office unless it allows a boat to withdraw her protest or request.
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 08, 2003 01:54:50 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Sail number wizard - lock out to prevent overwrites
Is there any way to lock out a sail number from the wizard. Scenario is that
at our
event an OCS is an instant DSQ although the boats usually still sail the
course. We
enter the DSQ immediatly in results but if you use the wizard it allows you
to enter a
time for the same boat later on, is there any way to lock out the cell once
its gone
DSQ or OCS thus preventing the overwrite and having to recheck for OCS
boats??
TIA
michael
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We take the time and record it in case of protest, what we don't want to do is enter it
into sailwave with the wizard until after the protest ( if any) has been heard.
i've tried entering the OCS score and then excluding the competitor and hiding excluded
but still sail number wizard finds them and allows an overwrite, there should be a way of
locking it out to prevent overwrites or amendments to be carried out only after protest
has been heard.
TIA
Michael
Sailwave allows you to enter a finish time for a boat, then mark that
competitor as OCS and will score the boat as OCS. This functionality is
great, it allows you to record the finish time and the fact the boat was OCS
and if you need to remove the OCS at a later time you don't have to dig
through rotation sheets to find the finish times. What Sailwave does
incorrectly is allow the reverse, that is to indicate that a boat was OCS
and then subsequently record a finish time. Sailwave ignores the OCS and
scores them as though they were not OCS. The result window shows both the
finish time and the OCS penalty code, but the the "Race position" or "Race
Time" button is set not the "Code" button. This appears to be the error.
A Code should override the finish position, regardless of the order in which
they are entered. This would allow the OCS's to be recorded after the start
and have the scores calculate correctly once the finish position or time is
entered. The same problem exists for Scoring Penalties (SCP), Z flag Penalty
(ZFP) and Black Flag Disqualification (BFD) codes.
The following would appear to be a solution.
If both a code and finish time is entered always use the code when
calculating the score.
When using the sail number wizard allow both a finish time/place and a code
to be entered. In the case of a ZFP and SCP you need the finish
time/position to calculate the results, so it would make sense that you can
enter them both together from the wizard.
If you are entering a result for a competitor for whom you already have a
result, display that information in the wizard. So if you have pre-entered
the OCS, ZFP, SCP or BFD you will see them as you enter the finish times.
Also it would be nice if you have already entered a finish time for a
competitor that it is displayed in the wizard and you have to over type the
result. This would alert the scorer to an error in some cases, such as
entering overlaying the results of a that has already been scored.
Thanks Colin, keep up the great work.
Mark Townsend
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 03:21:44 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Sail number wizard - lock out to prevent overwrites
We take the time and record it in case of protest, what we don't want to do
is enter it
into sailwave with the wizard until after the protest ( if any) has been
heard.
i've tried entering the OCS score and then excluding the competitor and
hiding excluded
but still sail number wizard finds them and allows an overwrite, there
should be a way of
locking it out to prevent overwrites or amendments to be carried out only
after protest
has been heard.
TIA
Michael
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A Code should override the finish position, regardless of the order in which
they are entered. This would allow the OCS's to be recorded after the start
and have the scores calculate correctly once the finish position or time is
entered. The same problem exists for Scoring Penalties (SCP), Z flag Penalty
(ZFP) and Black Flag Disqualification (BFD) codes.
That sounds ideal
The following would appear to be a solution.
If both a code and finish time is entered always use the code when
calculating the score.
When using the sail number wizard allow both a finish time/place and a code
to be entered. In the case of a ZFP and SCP you need the finish
time/position to calculate the results, so it would make sense that you can
enter them both together from the wizard.
If you are entering a result for a competitor for whom you already have a
result, display that information in the wizard. So if you have pre-entered
the OCS, ZFP, SCP or BFD you will see them as you enter the finish times.
Also it would be nice if you have already entered a finish time for a
competitor that it is displayed in the wizard and you have to over type the
result. This would alert the scorer to an error in some cases, such as
entering overlaying the results of a that has already been scored.
I don't know how easy it would be to incorporate these changes but it would make it a
bit easier and avoid potential errors, thanks for the help Mark.
Cheers
michael