Sail Number Wizard Question

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Hi folks: I have used Sailwave for a number of years in Nova Scotia
to score a few regattas each year. I the past I thought that the SNW
operated like this -
Scoring sheets come to me checked and complete for each fleet - one
sheet per race per fleet.
Race 1. Start entering sail numbers for, say, the Laser fleet of 40
boats and the place starts at 1 and automatically increments as each
finisher in entered. Finish the fleet and move to the 29er fleet and
the first score is one more than the last score of the Laser fleet-
41. But then Sailwave catches on and says " Oh, it's 29ers and starts
to increment correctly. Ie the second place 29er appears as 2. Move to
entering the next fleet and it does it "wrong" but then increments
correctly when, say, Optimist sail numbers are entered. Ie Sailwave
recognizes the fleets.
Am I out to lunch? Did it ever work like this?
This weekend was a real pain as each place that appeared automatically
was the wrong one and based on the number of boats in previously
entered fleet. So it had to be deleted and each place entered
manually. I could have sworn that Sailwave was smart enough to
recognize when a new fleet was being entered.
So, how does the SNW really work, am I missing something obvious?
Should I set Sailwave up differently and not use fleets?
Thanks
Tired fingers in Bedford

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Donald,

Sorry to hear of your frustration.

Sailwave via the Sail Number Wizard (SNW) gives each boat entered a sequential number, this is useful as it allows one to enter boats as recorded on the finish line ; if just recorded in the order they cross by the race team. However, as you have found if the results have been passed to you with separated class/finish sheets you perceive a problem with the finish position that you see. Just keep going and ignore. When you have finished entering all results just click the score series button and everything works out.

If this does not work for you get back to me and I will help to diagnose what is happening in your specific circumstances.

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** donald.wyllie
Sent: 14 July 2008 02:06
To:
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Subject: [sailwave] Sail Number Wizard Question

Hi folks: I have used Sailwave for a number of years in Nova Scotia
to score a few regattas each year. I the past I thought that the SNW
operated like this -
Scoring sheets come to me checked and complete for each fleet - one
sheet per race per fleet.
Race 1. Start entering sail numbers for, say, the Laser fleet of 40
boats and the place starts at 1 and automatically increments as each
finisher in entered. Finish the fleet and move to the 29er fleet and
the first score is one more than the last score of the Laser fleet-
41. But then Sailwave catches on and says " Oh, it’s 29ers and starts
to increment correctly. Ie the second place 29er appears as 2. Move to
entering the next fleet and it does it “wrong” but then increments
correctly when, say, Optimist sail numbers are entered. Ie Sailwave
recognizes the fleets.
Am I out to lunch? Did it ever work like this?
This weekend was a real pain as each place that appeared automatically
was the wrong one and based on the number of boats in previously
entered fleet. So it had to be deleted and each place entered
manually. I could have sworn that Sailwave was smart enough to
recognize when a new fleet was being entered.
So, how does the SNW really work, am I missing something obvious?
Should I set Sailwave up differently and not use fleets?
Thanks
Tired fingers in Bedford

3

Hi Huw: Thank you. You have reminded me about what Sailwave does. And
it is confusing when you can’t remember from year to year! In the SNW
you are inputing a sequence of sail numbers not places. So
after you insert the sail number, hit return Sailwave says “Place or
Code.” That is what is confusing. After the first fleet in a race you
are no longer inputing “Places” but, rather, a sequence number. So,
rather than the first boat in the Laser fleet being 1 it may be 254
'cos that is where it is in the sequence. And the sequence is arbitrary
and depends on which set of results one decides to enter next. This is
freaky. Very confusing to my simple mind. Of course there is nothing to
remind the scorer about what is going on. Maybe the words “Sequence
Number” could be used instead of “Place” to remind simpletons like me
what it is they are doing! “Place” only works if you have one fleet.

Thanks again for reminding me.

Donald

Huw Pearce wrote:

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Behalf Of donald.wyllie
Sent: 14 July 2008 02:06
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Sail Number Wizard Question

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Ah - a common problem, easily solved even when entering the results!

We have something similar with the Scottish Travellers - and it is
solved by setting the starts. Set up the same number of starts as
actually appear on the water, and allocate each fleet to the
appropriate start. You will find that the wizard now recognises the
sail numbers as belonging to a aprticular start, and will score
appropriately. You only need to do this for race 1, ana then copy
starts to races 2,3,....

Works for us: typically Toppers, Optimists, Lasers, with two starts
per class split by ability!

Cheers,
Iain
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "donald.wyllie" <donald.wyllie@...>
wrote:

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Hi folks: I have used Sailwave for a number of years in Nova Scotia
to score a few regattas each year. I the past I thought that the SNW
operated like this -
Scoring sheets come to me checked and complete for each fleet - one
sheet per race per fleet.
Race 1. Start entering sail numbers for, say, the Laser fleet of 40
boats and the place starts at 1 and automatically increments as each
finisher in entered. Finish the fleet and move to the 29er fleet and
the first score is one more than the last score of the Laser fleet-
41. But then Sailwave catches on and says " Oh, it's 29ers and starts
to increment correctly. Ie the second place 29er appears as 2. Move to
entering the next fleet and it does it "wrong" but then increments
correctly when, say, Optimist sail numbers are entered. Ie Sailwave
recognizes the fleets.
Am I out to lunch? Did it ever work like this?
This weekend was a real pain as each place that appeared automatically
was the wrong one and based on the number of boats in previously
entered fleet. So it had to be deleted and each place entered
manually. I could have sworn that Sailwave was smart enough to
recognize when a new fleet was being entered.
So, how does the SNW really work, am I missing something obvious?
Should I set Sailwave up differently and not use fleets?
Thanks
Tired fingers in Bedford

5

HI: "Set up the number of starts as they actually appear on the
water." I don't understand this! Where does one set up the number of
starts? As one sets up a series then there is the opportunity to set
the number of starts, which I do, but after this there is no
opportunity - I think. Setting up starts here is merely a convenience.
"You will find that the wizard now recognizes the sail numbers as
belonging to a particular start." Don't understand. In the SNW you
tell it which race you are entering sequences for.
"Copy starts to races 2,3," How do you copy starts? From where to where?
Sorry, I'm being slow!
Donald

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "ocp84531" <sail@...> wrote:

Ah - a common problem, easily solved even when entering the results!

We have something similar with the Scottish Travellers - and it is
solved by setting the starts. Set up the same number of starts as
actually appear on the water, and allocate each fleet to the
appropriate start. You will find that the wizard now recognises the
sail numbers as belonging to a aprticular start, and will score
appropriately. You only need to do this for race 1, ana then copy
starts to races 2,3,....

Works for us: typically Toppers, Optimists, Lasers, with two starts
per class split by ability!

Cheers,
Iain
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "donald.wyllie" <donald.wyllie@>
wrote:
>
> Hi folks: I have used Sailwave for a number of years in Nova Scotia
> to score a few regattas each year. I the past I thought that the SNW
> operated like this -
> Scoring sheets come to me checked and complete for each fleet - one
> sheet per race per fleet.
> Race 1. Start entering sail numbers for, say, the Laser fleet of 40
> boats and the place starts at 1 and automatically increments as each
> finisher in entered. Finish the fleet and move to the 29er fleet and
> the first score is one more than the last score of the Laser fleet-
> 41. But then Sailwave catches on and says " Oh, it's 29ers and starts
> to increment correctly. Ie the second place 29er appears as 2. Move to
> entering the next fleet and it does it "wrong" but then increments
> correctly when, say, Optimist sail numbers are entered. Ie Sailwave
> recognizes the fleets.
> Am I out to lunch? Did it ever work like this?
> This weekend was a real pain as each place that appeared automatically
> was the wrong one and based on the number of boats in previously
> entered fleet. So it had to be deleted and each place entered
> manually. I could have sworn that Sailwave was smart enough to
> recognize when a new fleet was being entered.
> So, how does the SNW really work, am I missing something obvious?
> Should I set Sailwave up differently and not use fleets?
> Thanks
> Tired fingers in Bedford
>

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Edit Race

add a New start.

edit the start to only apply to the subset of competitors in it.

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM, donald.wyllie donald.wyllie@yahoo.com wrote:

HI: “Set up the number of starts as they actually appear on the
water.” I don’t understand this! Where does one set up the number of
starts? As one sets up a series then there is the opportunity to set
the number of starts, which I do, but after this there is no
opportunity - I think. Setting up starts here is merely a convenience.
“You will find that the wizard now recognizes the sail numbers as
belonging to a particular start.” Don’t understand. In the SNW you
tell it which race you are entering sequences for.
“Copy starts to races 2,3,” How do you copy starts? From where to where?
Sorry, I’m being slow!
Donald

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “ocp84531” <sail@…> wrote:

Ah - a common problem, easily solved even when entering the results!

We have something similar with the Scottish Travellers - and it is
solved by setting the starts. Set up the same number of starts as
actually appear on the water, and allocate each fleet to the

appropriate start. You will find that the wizard now recognises the
sail numbers as belonging to a aprticular start, and will score
appropriately. You only need to do this for race 1, ana then copy

starts to races 2,3,…

Works for us: typically Toppers, Optimists, Lasers, with two starts
per class split by ability!

Cheers,
Iain
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “donald.wyllie” <donald.wyllie@>

wrote:

Hi folks: I have used Sailwave for a number of years in Nova Scotia
to score a few regattas each year. I the past I thought that the SNW
operated like this -

Scoring sheets come to me checked and complete for each fleet - one
sheet per race per fleet.
Race 1. Start entering sail numbers for, say, the Laser fleet of 40
boats and the place starts at 1 and automatically increments as each

finisher in entered. Finish the fleet and move to the 29er fleet and
the first score is one more than the last score of the Laser fleet-
41. But then Sailwave catches on and says " Oh, it’s 29ers and starts

to increment correctly. Ie the second place 29er appears as 2. Move to
entering the next fleet and it does it “wrong” but then increments
correctly when, say, Optimist sail numbers are entered. Ie Sailwave

recognizes the fleets.
Am I out to lunch? Did it ever work like this?
This weekend was a real pain as each place that appeared automatically
was the wrong one and based on the number of boats in previously

entered fleet. So it had to be deleted and each place entered
manually. I could have sworn that Sailwave was smart enough to
recognize when a new fleet was being entered.
So, how does the SNW really work, am I missing something obvious?

Should I set Sailwave up differently and not use fleets?
Thanks
Tired fingers in Bedford

–
Best Regards,
Jamie Diamond

jamie.diamond@sailocra.com

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it will restart at 1 for each define start in teh
race - if you dont define a separate start it doesnt know it has to
restart at 1.

colin

sailwave

donald.wyllie wrote:

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