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1. RE: Forums
From: "Rebecca Blanco" <rblanco@prtc.net>
2. Re: Forums
From: "Rob Harrison" <rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net>
3. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: "Rob Harrison" <rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net>
4. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
5. RE: Forums
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
6. RE: Forums
From: "Bill Hunt" <jwhunt3@maine.rr.com>
7. RE: Scoring - Average points
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
8. v1.42 BETA 1
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
9. Re: Forums
From: "David Ferguson" <dave@fergusonsnw.com>
10. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: "John Selby" <john@16laurel.com>
11. Re: Forums
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
12. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
13. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
14. RE: Scoring - Average points
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
15. Re: Scoring - Average points
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
16. RE: Forums
From: "John Rischmiller" <john@virtual-it.org.uk>
17. Re: Forums
From: "SimonSmith" <simon@smith.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:30:29 -0400
From: "Rebecca Blanco" <rblanco@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: Forums
Hi Colin:
I like the forum format, keeps the dialogue online for all to see and follow
at their own pace.
What I don't like about forums is that I forget to check them out
periodically.
E mails are ok, but sometimes I don't check my e mails every day, when I do
they've piled up to a very annoying amount.
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:41 AM
To: Sailwave User Group
Subject: [sailwave] ForumsI've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on the
web site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it
can previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting
on-line though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that
others may prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is
the SUG and I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:41:17 +0100
From: "Rob Harrison" <rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Forums
I agree with Rebecca Blanco, the volume of emails is becoming too large and
so I'd vote for the forum which looks promising.
Regards
Rob Harrison
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Forums
I've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on the
web
site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it can
previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered
by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting on-line
though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that others
may
prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is the SUG
and
I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any thoughts?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:51:43 +0100
From: "Rob Harrison" <rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
We award average points which exclude DNCs but include all other results -
average points are not allowed for the last race of the series. This seems
to work well except when an unfortunate competitor has more than one duty in
a series.
Rob Harrison
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From: "John P. Harvey" <jpharvey@ptc.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
We do average of the races sailed since in my opinion they have turned
up on the day and therefore could have sailed and an average of the races
they sailed reflects their possible result more acurately.John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
> Sent: 26 April 2002 01:11
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
>
>
> We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD
> duties in
> any series.
> What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to
> be awarded?
> Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or
> average of races
> sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big
> difference to the
> final score.
> I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking
> advantage of the
> wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
> Thanks for any input,
> regards, Andy
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:43:49 EDT
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
Colin, sounds like your club is like ours!
I have used RDGa, which includes DNC, how does sailwave calculate average of
races sailed?
(your approach, giving 1.5 points would cause some controversy, I'm going to
propose it at our next Dinghy committee meeting)!
Regards,
Andy
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:07:45 +0100
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Subject: RE: Forums
I have had a number of private emails saying the same as Rob and Rebecca -
essentially if you don't log in for a while you get blatted with too many
emails that are deleted rather than read... Simon, (or anybody else) - how
would you feel if we removed the yahoo group and moved to the Sailwave
forums... Ikonboard has some nice features like tracking particular topics
of interest and only showing new messages etc etc, so it may be a bit easier
to personally manage. There is no advertising on this board as it's hosted
on the Sailwave web site. What it will need is some volunteers to be
moderators at some stage.
http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Harrison [mailto:rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net]
Sent: 26 April 2002 19:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Forums
I agree with Rebecca Blanco, the volume of emails is becoming too large and
so I'd vote for the forum which looks promising.
Regards
Rob Harrison
Bexhill S C
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Forums
I've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on the
web
site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it can
previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered
by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting on-line
though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that others
may
prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is the SUG
and
I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any thoughts?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:24:11 -0400
From: "Bill Hunt" <jwhunt3@maine.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Forums
I vote for the forum.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:08 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Forums
I have had a number of private emails saying the same as Rob and Rebecca
-
essentially if you don't log in for a while you get blatted with too
many
emails that are deleted rather than read... Simon, (or anybody else) -
how
would you feel if we removed the yahoo group and moved to the Sailwave
forums... Ikonboard has some nice features like tracking particular
topics
of interest and only showing new messages etc etc, so it may be a bit
easier
to personally manage. There is no advertising on this board as it's
hosted
on the Sailwave web site. What it will need is some volunteers to be
moderators at some stage.
http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Harrison [mailto:rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net]
Sent: 26 April 2002 19:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Forums
I agree with Rebecca Blanco, the volume of emails is becoming too large
and
so I'd vote for the forum which looks promising.
Regards
Rob Harrison
Bexhill S C
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To: "Sailwave User Group" <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Forums
I've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on
the
web
site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it
can
previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered
by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting
on-line
though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that
others
may
prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is the
SUG
and
I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any thoughts?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:07:47 +0100
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Subject: RE: Scoring - Average points
1.5 points has advantages; it means you get a good score for missing the
race and also it doesn't mess up the total points as somebody else pointed
out - i.e. you don't know your final score until the end of the series if
you use averages unless you use the method that is average races before your
OOD duty; which if at the start of the series and you started badly is not
that fair either perhaps. NB: Do you mean *exclude* DNC as I think all
responses indicated?
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From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
Sent: 26 April 2002 20:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
Colin, sounds like your club is like ours!
I have used RDGa, which includes DNC, how does sailwave calculate average of
races sailed?
(your approach, giving 1.5 points would cause some controversy, I'm going to
propose it at our next Dinghy committee meeting)!
Regards,
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:35:33 +0100
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Subject: v1.42 BETA 1
v1.43 BETA 1 uploaded with a number of fixes.
� Stop Sailwave auto-hiding the rating column.
� Fix double clicking on ScoringSystem on the property bar.
� Fix sail number wizard when fleet has rating but default is None.
� Fix the fixed penalty point code method.
� Stop Sailwave unilaterally selecting an inappropriate class when a fleet
is selected in Edit+Competitor.
� Change CHS to TCF everywhere, handle legacy conditions and update rating
system edit window appropriately.
� Fix reports getting truncated using the Y&Y wizard.
� Fix problem with bonus point when scoring a position with a lurking
penalty code in the result.
� Fix venue hyperlink when publishing in all templates.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:40:06 -0700
From: "David Ferguson" <dave@fergusonsnw.com>
Subject: Re: Forums
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:09:55 +0100
From: "John Selby" <john@16laurel.com>
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
Andy
my Club gives the Duty (both OOD and Rescue) 1 point, but they may not do
more than one duty per series, unless due to someone failing to show up,
there is no racing unless they do a second duty. We found it the only way to
get entrants to take their turn.
Regards
John
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:25:26 EDT
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Forums
I also like the e-mail format, it is more focussed and less open to vacuous
comment and trivia than a less attributable forum.
I have been a mostly passive observer of the discussion and development over
the past year, but have been very impressed with the obviously high degree
of
knowledge and co-operation of the Sailwave user community.
I have not observed or detected any of the less helpful comment seen in most
other open UG's.
If any one is feeling 'swamped' with e-mail, it is easy to set up a Sailwave
only e-mail address, most isps allow multiple e-mail accounts.
My vote would be to keep it as is (and also keep Colin as a much valued
member of the user group)
Regards,
Andy
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:37:53 EDT
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
No, when I scored a series and gave a sailor RDGa it included the DNC points
allocated in earlier races. When I calculated the average by hand (using
only
sailed races) he scored 9.5 point less.
Any thoughts,
regards,
Andy
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:47:54 EDT
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
John,
that is also our central problem (getting some people to do their duty),
but
opportunists seem to be able to work the system to their advantage, if we
give them average points every time they volunteer for duty.- i.e. score
well
in first couple of races and then don't race, can win with Ave. points-hence
the debate.
regards,
Andy
ps. thanks for all of your inputs, it has been very helpful to establish a
'custom and practice' view to incorporate into our SIs.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:53:11 +0100
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Subject: RE: Scoring - Average points
Hi Andy,
I would create a new code called OOD (I think Sailwave generates one by
default actually) and set it's "method" to "Average all except DNC". RDGa
serves a specific purpose of averaging including DNC as recommended (but not
forced) by RRS 2001-2004. i.e. you may need RDGa as it stands so use
another code for OOD/Rescue-duty.
Thanks for your comments on the forums.
Regards,
Colin
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Sent: 26 April 2002 22:38
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
No, when I scored a series and gave a sailor RDGa it included the DNC points
allocated in earlier races. When I calculated the average by hand (using
only sailed races) he scored 9.5 point less.
Any thoughts,
regards,
Andy
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:02:05 EDT
From: AMAirnes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scoring - Average points
Thanks for yet another practical fix.
Andy
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 07:41:59 +0100
From: "John Rischmiller" <john@virtual-it.org.uk>
Subject: RE: Forums
Personally, I'd vote to keep the email format as it doesn't mean a separate
action to obtain the information. Most email systems allow rules so you can
redirect the [sailwave] messages to their own folder. Forums also require
you to be online, and not everyone has a permanently on connection or even a
"free" one. Forums usually require a higher computer skill level than email.
I also think you'd probably loose the immediacy of responses. Email also
allows me to maintain my own archive of the information.
Best regards - John.
John Rischmiller, mailto:john@virtual-it.org.uk
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Sent: 26 April 2002 10:41
To: Sailwave User Group
Subject: [sailwave] ForumsI've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on the
web site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it
can previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting
on-line though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that
others may prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is
the SUG and I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:23:45 +0100
From: "SimonSmith" <simon@smith.net>
Subject: Re: Forums
Colin there are obviously many pro's and con's on this issue. Currently
there are 160 members on the SUG with 20 (twenty!!) new joiners over the
past week alone. Biggest recomendation pro tem would be for lurkers to
convert to daily digest (they can allways reply to a digest).
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Forums
I have had a number of private emails saying the same as Rob and
ebecca -
essentially if you don't log in for a while you get blatted with too many
emails that are deleted rather than read... Simon, (or anybody else) -
how
would you feel if we removed the yahoo group and moved to the Sailwave
forums... Ikonboard has some nice features like tracking particular
topics
of interest and only showing new messages etc etc, so it may be a bit
easier
to personally manage. There is no advertising on this board as it's
hosted
on the Sailwave web site. What it will need is some volunteers to be
moderators at some stage.http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi
Regards,
Colin-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Harrison [mailto:rob_wina.harrison@lineone.net]
Sent: 26 April 2002 19:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] ForumsI agree with Rebecca Blanco, the volume of emails is becoming too large
and
so I'd vote for the forum which looks promising.
Regards
Rob Harrison
Bexhill S C----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin.jenkins@match-it.com>
To: "Sailwave User Group" <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Forums> I've been fiddling in the background with a Sailwave Forums page on the
web
> site, as suggested by somebody a while ago. If you're interested it can
> previewed at http://www.sailwave.com/cgi-bin/ib/ikonboard.cgi. It's
powered
> by the free Ikonboard scripts. I'm not sure it's worth putting on-line
> though - I like the email format of this group, but am aware that others
may
> prefer the non-invasiveness of a forum and that in fact this is the SUG
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> I'm a guest, so I should set something up of my own. Any thoughts?
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> Colin
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