[sailwave] Flights

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Hi John,

Thanks for the input, will reference it when doing the work.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Smalley [mailto:john.smalley2@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 04 June 2004 11:15
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights

Dear Ralph and Colin,

The race programme for this years Topper Nationals is based on 4 flights
(changing daily) completing a total of 8 races and then Gold and Silver
fleets for a further 8 races. The scores for the Qualification
Series are to
be halved and then carried over to the final series.

Regards,
John.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Tingle [mailto:rat@attat.com]
Sent: 04 June 2004 10:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights

Hi Colin
Showing all the results in one file obviously makes sense but how it is
done, will depend on the scoring system.
At one time, the position at the end of the Qualification series
was carried
forward to the Finals series as a non-discardable 'race' result.
Looking at various international events (especially Olympic Classes) the
system now tends to be to count all results from race one to the end.
After end of race x, the fleets are split into Gold, Silver,
Bronze etc and
from that point, have their own races (and starts) with OCS etc based upon
their own group size.

>From my own experience, having used the 'Qualification position'
principle,
I now favour the current system of counting all races, if only on
the basis
that it is good preparation for International events (Sorry non-Brits but
every bit helps in the quest for medals!!)

If you want examples, have a look at the 49er results for Olympic Class
Regattas. Other classes do a split if the fleet is large enough.
Out of interest, ISAF tend to suggest fleet sizes of approx 60 before
splitting into flights but 49ers normally have 25 in the Gold
fleet & approx
same numbers for Silver etc, depending on entry numbers

Regards
Ralph

PS: Are there any Topper people out there who would like to
comment? As with
Optimists - they are a BIG fleet running flights without a Finals series

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 03 June 2004 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights

Hi Ralph,

Thanks; that makes sense doesn't it; stopping any OCS etc being
less than a
finish in another fight. It's no problem, I can do various methods, ditto
to Mark, Anders et al.

Would you expect to score the final series in a separate file - or see all
qualifying and final races in one long series... Ditto to Mark, Anders et
al.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Tingle [mailto:rat@attat.com]
> Sent: 03 June 2004 16:25
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights
>
>
> Hi
> In asymmetric sailing where there is a qualification series, followed by
> Finals e.g Gold, Silver etc we include the following SI in the
section on
> scoring
>
> "In the Qualification series, a boat that did not start, did not finish,
> retired after finishing or was disqualified, will be scored
points for the
> finishing place one more than the total number of boats in the largest
> group. In the Final series, this score will be total number of
> boats in her
> group. This changes rule A4.2"
>
> Hope this helps or does it just present another headache for
> Colin with more
> than one method required? ;-)))))
>
> Regards
> Ralph Tingle
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Townsend [mailto:s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 03 June 2004 15:09
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights
>
>
> The SI's are not specific and could certainly be interpreted that way,
> although historically they have been scored at the lower number.
> Scoring the
> way you suggest would certainly provide an incentive not to be
OCS!!! 103
> points versus 41 points...
>
>
>
> I would suggest that you proceed with your original plan to
score all the
> flights as one big race and OCS, DSQ, etc. would be 103
points.... We can
> always use special scoring codes to score it as 41 or 43 points such as
> DSQ41 and DSQ43...
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 06/03/04 06:50:43
>
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> > How are you planning to handle scoring codes DSQ, OCS etc. If
> you have 102
>
> > boats split into five flights of A= 21 boats, B=21 boats, C=20
> boats, D=20
>
> > boats, E=20 boats. When flight A sails B an OCS would be 43
>
> > points, but if C
>
> > sails D it is only 41 points?
>
>
>
> Glad you asked that; it's something I've been thinking about.
A principle
>
> guy from the RYA and Appendix KE itself suggests that it's all
very simple
>
> and that OCS (etc) in your example is 103 points. i.e. even
> though the 102
>
> competitors are physically split up to sail a race, it's in fact
> all one big
>
> race for scoring purposes, with multiple firsts and seconds etc; the
>
> rotation sorting things out as they go. This would make my life much
>
> easier. Are your SIs specific about it? How have you (+Anders
> et al) done
>
> it by hand in the past...?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Colin
>
> www.sailwave.com
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