Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Paul_Nix · 6 March 2003 22:40

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

James1 · 12 March 2003 22:42

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events. At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works fine if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a surprise the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

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Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought you may want to know about it.

ColinJenkins · 12 March 2003 22:54

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem - Sailwave
uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

···

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing
as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events.
At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and
disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I
thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size
and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works fine
if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font
smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a surprise
the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

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ColinJenkins · 12 March 2003 23:11

Apologies if I'm a bit slow replying to emails etc. My Sailwave Inbox
currently has 191 items, 98 of which are unread... CJ.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem - Sailwave
uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing
as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events.
At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and
disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I
thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size
and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works fine
if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font
smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a surprise
the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

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James1 · 12 March 2003 23:33

Colin are you using a different font for the actual text input boxes as
opposed to buttons, labels, menus, drop-down lists and everything else
in the app? As I only see the problem with letters (not numbers) in text
input boxes. I'm pretty sure that I've never noticed this in any other
program.

I fired up OpenOffice Writer and played around with a few fonts at
different sizes from the standard Windows sans-serif fonts (Arial,
Tahoma, Trebuchet MS, Verdana, sizes 7pt - 11pt) and whilst I couldn't
create quite the same effect Tahoma does seem to space the letters
strangely at uneven point sizes (9pt is the most noticable).

I think you've still got attachments disabled on the group, so I've
uploaded a screenshot of the effect to:
http://www.jard.co.uk/net/sailwave.gif
(the greeny-blue is my Windows colour scheme, but I noticed the problem
even whilst using the standard grey Windows colours).
Now if you can imagine trying to read that on a laptop screen in a race
hut on a sunny English day, you can see the problems.

As I said easy to work around but might shock a few newbies.

James

Colin Jenkins sprayed this onto the 'net at 12/03/2003 22:54:

···

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem - Sailwave
uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing
as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events.
At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and
disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I
thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size
and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works fine
if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font
smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a surprise
the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

James1 · 12 March 2003 23:33

A bit slow? You replied within 12 minutes of me hitting the send button,
that's pretty quick in my book!

Apologies for filling your mailbox up even further, I know how it feels;
my inbox at work regularly has over a hundred unreads sitting there
taunting me.

Colin Jenkins sprayed this onto the 'net at 12/03/2003 23:11:

···

Apologies if I'm a bit slow replying to emails etc. My Sailwave Inbox
currently has 191 items, 98 of which are unread... CJ.

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem - Sailwave
uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Dave_Orton · 13 March 2003 18:46

Hi
I had no idea there was such a thing a s an English sunny day..
As a newie, can someone please tell me if there is a manual that somehow
I have not downloaded, or does one just have to suck it and see with
this program?
Thanks
dave

···

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 13 March 2003 01:33
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Colin are you using a different font for the actual text input boxes as
opposed to buttons, labels, menus, drop-down lists and everything else
in the app? As I only see the problem with letters (not numbers) in text
input boxes. I'm pretty sure that I've never noticed this in any other
program.

I fired up OpenOffice Writer and played around with a few fonts at
different sizes from the standard Windows sans-serif fonts (Arial,
Tahoma, Trebuchet MS, Verdana, sizes 7pt - 11pt) and whilst I couldn't
create quite the same effect Tahoma does seem to space the letters
strangely at uneven point sizes (9pt is the most noticable).

I think you've still got attachments disabled on the group, so I've
uploaded a screenshot of the effect to:
http://www.jard.co.uk/net/sailwave.gif
(the greeny-blue is my Windows colour scheme, but I noticed the problem
even whilst using the standard grey Windows colours).
Now if you can imagine trying to read that on a laptop screen in a race
hut on a sunny English day, you can see the problems.

As I said easy to work around but might shock a few newbies.

James

Colin Jenkins sprayed this onto the 'net at 12/03/2003 22:54:

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem -

Sailwave

uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing
as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events.
At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and
disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I
thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size
and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works

fine

if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font
smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a

surprise

the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

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ColinJenkins · 13 March 2003 20:12

Hi Dave,

At this time there is just the on-line FAQ and the RatingFiles/Locales
documentation. The SUG is the place to general get help if you need it at
present.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Orton [mailto:daveorton@absamail.co.za]
Sent: 13 March 2003 18:47
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor
Importance: High

Hi
I had no idea there was such a thing a s an English sunny day..
As a newie, can someone please tell me if there is a manual that somehow
I have not downloaded, or does one just have to suck it and see with
this program?
Thanks
dave

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 13 March 2003 01:33
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Colin are you using a different font for the actual text input boxes as
opposed to buttons, labels, menus, drop-down lists and everything else
in the app? As I only see the problem with letters (not numbers) in text
input boxes. I'm pretty sure that I've never noticed this in any other
program.

I fired up OpenOffice Writer and played around with a few fonts at
different sizes from the standard Windows sans-serif fonts (Arial,
Tahoma, Trebuchet MS, Verdana, sizes 7pt - 11pt) and whilst I couldn't
create quite the same effect Tahoma does seem to space the letters
strangely at uneven point sizes (9pt is the most noticable).

I think you've still got attachments disabled on the group, so I've
uploaded a screenshot of the effect to:
http://www.jard.co.uk/net/sailwave.gif
(the greeny-blue is my Windows colour scheme, but I noticed the problem
even whilst using the standard grey Windows colours).
Now if you can imagine trying to read that on a laptop screen in a race
hut on a sunny English day, you can see the problems.

As I said easy to work around but might shock a few newbies.

James

Colin Jenkins sprayed this onto the 'net at 12/03/2003 22:54:

Hi, Unfortunately it's not something I can look into at the moment as I
don't have XP... Is it just Sailwave that causes the problem -

Sailwave

uses Tahmoa as it's menu/button etc font; perhaps I should switch to
Arial...? CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: James [mailto:laser2@jard.co.uk]
Sent: 12 March 2003 22:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Sailwave on a TFT Monitor

Just as a bit of independant corroboration I've noticed the same thing
as point 2 when using my Windows XP laptop for scoring at some events.
At the time I realised it was due to Cleartype almost straight away and
disabled it so I could get working with the minimum of fuss, but I
thought that its probably backing Paul up on this.

I guess it could be due to some combination of the particular font size
and face you use, and perhaps spacing between the letters. It works

fine

if you switch WinXP back to "normal" font smoothing, or switch font
smoothing off entirely.

Again, not catastrophic, and not too hard to get around. Just a

surprise

the first time you see it.

James

paulbnix sprayed this onto the 'net at 06/03/2003 22:40:

Hi,

I've recently acquired a 17" TFT monitor and I use Win XP.

I ran up Sailwave 1.45 and I noticed two disturbing effects.

1. The drag window setting changed to outline only
2. The text that in the editable parts of the sailwave dialogs is
distorted. This distortion vanishes if I set the font smoothing to
Standard (used on CRT) instead of ClearType (used on a TFT)

I realise that neither of the above is catastrophic but I thought
you may want to know about it.

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http://www.sailwave.com/

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