I agree totally.
When you are able to take time to the nearest second, corrected time is NEVER more precise. On the contrary!
A finishes after 01:00:00,49 with a TMF 0,6875 and corrected time should be 00:41:15,34, should be rounded to 00:41:15
A is timed 01:00:00 and corrected time to 1/100 is 00:41:15,28, rounded to 00:41:15
B finishes after 01:00:52,51 with a TMF 0,6777 and corrected time should be 00:41:15,31, should be rounded to 00:41:15
B is timed 01:00:53 and corrected time to 1/100 is 00:41:15,64, rounded to 00:41:16
B was faster but is ranked as slower, not only by rounding to 1/100 second, but even by rounding to the nearest second… Unfair ranking… but you cannot show evidence.
This is a possible, but not frequent case. What if they were both 5 seconds slower…
A finishes after 01:00:05,49 and corrected time should be 00:41:18,77, should be rounded to 00:41:19
A is timed 01:00:05 and corrected time to 1/100 is 00:41:18,44, rounded to 00:41:18
B finishes after 01:00:55,51 and corrected time should be 00:41:18,69, should be rounded to 00:41:19, same but to 1/100, B was 0,08 sec faster
B is timed 01:00:56 and corrected time to 1/100 is 00:41:19,03, rounded to 00:41:19, considered as 1 second slower.
But… I know at least one case on the water where two identical boats with a time difference of just 1 second on elapsed time, had exactly the same corrected time, rounded to the nearest second.
Take the original example, C is finishing after 01:00:00,51 timed 01:00:01, TMF 0,6875 and D, same TMF is 1,98 second late, imed 01:00:02 but both, should be ranked as tiea with a corrected time 00:41:16.
In one case I remember, C protested and the protest committee decided, as no other boat were close to these, to add 1 second to the time of D…
Sorry for long demonstration.
What is worse ? exchanging places (+1 for one boat,-1 for the other) means 2 points difference
Accepting ties even if there shouldn’t be is just + 0.5 for one boat - 0.5 for the other, only 1 point pssible error.
In the French software FReg2007, rounding to 1/100 sec is the default setting, and must be unticked to have the fair option… RRS are sadly following the same direction, I’m afraid i’ts too late to ask for a correction for the next edition.
Philippe De Troy
Fédératio Francophone du Yachting Belge
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From:
Huw Pearce
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] opinions
Randy,
In my opinion, the finish time will be to the nearest second therefore the corrected time should only be to the nearest second. The RYA Handicap guidance here in the UK says that corrected times are rounded to the nearest second. If boats have the same corrected time after rounding they are the same!
What is in the SI’s for the event about the scoring & handicap system to be used for the event?Do US Sailing have the equivalent to the RYA publication YR2 Portsmouth Handicap Rating System for PHRF? There has to be a statement in the SI’s when handicap racing is used here in the UK of the system that is being used and there are standard phrases suggested for inclusion in the SI’s.
Kind regards,
Huw
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From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Randy Phillips
Sent: 04 October 2007 01:47
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] opinions
am trying to break a tie in a PHRF time on distance race. I believe I broached this subject a couple of years ago, but it is back as a new subject.
The corrected time to the nearest second is the same between 2 boats in a race.
Here are the rules, both from previous RRS and the current:
2001-2004 Version
A3 STARTING TIMES AND FINISHING PLACES
The time of a boatâs starting signal shall be her starting time, and the order in
which boats finish a race shall determine their finishing places. However, when
a handicap system is used a boatâs elapsed time, corrected to the nearest
second, shall determine her finishing place.
2005-2008 Version
A3 STARTING TIMES AND FINISHING PLACES
The time of a boatâs starting signal shall be her starting time, and
the order in which boats finish a race shall determine their finishing
places. However, when a handicap or rating system is used a boatâs
corrected time shall determine her finishing place.
As I mentioned, a couple of years ago, the decision was that
the phrase 'corrected to the nearest second' was the guiding principal.
And you can see how the current rule has eliminated it.
Can you give any help here or guidance?
Thanks for your time in helping to resolve this issue.
Randy Phillips
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