Sailwave or HAL

Hi, I'm a new results secretary for a club which uses HAL and have a number of questions as follows;

1, In average lap racing does Sailwave take proper account of the RYA formulae for average lap racing, as HAL dosn't?

2, We have just lost all data - thankfully only the recent winter series - how reliable is Sailwave with regard to lost data?

3, If any of you have experience of both HAL and Sailwave for use in handicap fleets which one is easiest to use and which is better overall?

Thanks

Flipper

As HAL was a complete pain in the posterior to install, whereas Sailwave takes seconds, there was no contest IME, especially as I use older PCs.
Obviously it's tempting fate to say that I have 'never' had a data problem with Sailwave: let's just say I've never had any complaints with it, nor it's functionality. (When I finally did get HAL installed, it looked so hideous to use that I couldn't be bothered.)
Regarding RYA method average lap calculations: I don't know what's 'under the bonnet' but when ever I've cross checked calculations, the results seem OK, including rounding to the nearest second.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "flipperirl536" <k86lynch@...> wrote:

2, We have just lost all data - thankfully only the recent winter series - how reliable is Sailwave with regard to lost data?

3, If any of you have experience of both HAL and Sailwave for use in handicap fleets which one is easiest to use and which is better overall?

Mike

Thanks for your response.

Regards

Kevin

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— On Sat, 3/4/10, Mike mdcroker@which.net wrote:

From: Mike mdcroker@which.net
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Sailwave or HAL
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 8:41

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “flipperirl536” <k86lynch@…> wrote:

2, We have just lost all data - thankfully only the recent winter series - how reliable is Sailwave with regard to lost data?

3, If any of you have experience of both HAL and Sailwave for
use in handicap fleets which one is easiest to use and which is better overall?

As HAL was a complete pain in the posterior to install, whereas Sailwave takes seconds, there was no contest IME, especially as I use older PCs.
Obviously it’s tempting fate to say that I have ‘never’ had a data problem with Sailwave: let’s just say I’ve never had any complaints with it, nor it’s functionality. (When I finally did get HAL installed, it looked so hideous to use that I couldn’t be bothered.)
Regarding RYA method average lap calculations: I don’t know what’s ‘under the bonnet’ but when ever I’ve cross checked calculations, the results seem OK, including rounding to the nearest second.
HTH
Mike
Lancing SC


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> 2, We have just lost all data - thankfully only the recent winter series - how reliable is Sailwave with regard to lost data?

Sailwave stores its data in XML formatted files. That means you can open it with a text editor and read it, and while that may not be a pleasant reading experience if there is a corrupt character you can probably hack in the fix by hand. That said I've never had to!

Not sure how HAL stores its data. Its a .net application so I've assumed some form of database structure which may be harder to hack. I also get the impression its a single file for the whole lot. Where you'd put a single series in sailwave? Again could be wrong but looks like sailwave would reduce the risk overall that way.

Would say that backing up is key. USB sticks are so cheap these days. File sizes on sailwave are small. We store locally and use good old windows briefcase to make a duplicate. What that doesn't do is offer us the opportunity to do an incremental roll back.

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> 3, If any of you have experience of both HAL and Sailwave for use in handicap fleets which one is easiest to use and which is better overall?
>

I suspect some of this is down to experience. A Bit like asking if Windows or Linux is easiest / better.
It may also be worth considering a few extras:
- Future development plans. There are exciting new plans on the horizon for sailwave with a new multiplatform version which will be designed to run locally or server based, and will allow customisation of the code/rule sets much more than possible now on either sailwave for windows or HAL

- Regatta management. Sailwave for windows has a lot of features in there that should help with who has paid, who has medical conditions etc. I have no idea what HAL can handle in this respect. But if you or people who work with you are going to want to use Sailwave at the big open events at the club then use sailwave for everything so that its running slickly when the big open comes along. If your visiting RO's all want HAL then the same may apply.

- New sailwave will probably offer facilities to sign up for races online.

The biggest put off for me for HAL is this line in its manual:
"Note that when putting in the results of level races, you must enter the boats in the order they crossed the finishing line.
To help in this, the next place in the class will be entered automatically."

I often have a result sheet of 13 boats that reads 5,6,7,3,4,2,1,DNF,8,9,DNF,10 etc

Its much easier to enter them in the results page in that order than to find first then second etc... Minor issue, but sailwave lets you.

There is good user support for sailwave. No idea what its like for HAL (they have a group but how active is it?). But if you go back to your corrupt question the most likely answer is send the corrupt file to the group and someone may be able to fix it!

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1. Not sure about this as I have never tried it. Would suggest you try it
with one of your races to see whether it produces what you expect. (Will
also be an excellent learning experience to give you an idea of how easy or
difficult it is) If it does not produce what you expect, post to this group
the results and explain so it can be rectified (rectifications in my limited
experience are normally done quicker than in HAL)

2. SW normally saves a single file for a series or race and also saves
another htm file when published. I normally consider the published version
to be the backup as this is held on a separate server on the website. If
either one of the two are lost, I can recreate one by using the other.
HAL uses MS Access Database. I find it a little awkward that only the Admin
user can update the Handicaps if needed, but it is nice that all boats in
our club are already in the database and can simply be selected for the new
event. The database is the equivalent to one single file and if lost will
all data will probably be lost. In Sailwave there are separate files for
each series, so if one file is lost, at least the others are retained.
Ultimately we all learn to backup once we loose data and I tend to run a
complete backup of my entire hard disk to another external hard disk once a
month. (Be aware though, when a file is corrupt, and is backed up, the
backed up copy will more than likely also be corrupt)

3. There are some things that are easy and some things that are difficult to
understand in both SW and HAL's initially. Once one have grown accustomed to
them they both become quite simple. Ideally we want a different race officer
every weekend to be able to use the programs we provide them, but at our
club it seems this task still falls with the Race Captain. (My personal
[preference is Sailwave)

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of flipperirl536
Sent: 02 April 2010 08:45
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Sailwave or HAL

Hi, I'm a new results secretary for a club which uses HAL and have a
number of questions as follows;

1, In average lap racing does Sailwave take proper account of the RYA
formulae for average lap racing, as HAL dosn't?

2, We have just lost all data - thankfully only the recent winter
series - how reliable is Sailwave with regard to lost data?

3, If any of you have experience of both HAL and Sailwave for use in
handicap fleets which one is easiest to use and which is better
overall?

Thanks

Flipper

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