Colin,
The issue of helms sailing multiple boats during a series seems to cropping up quite frequently. There have been some good work arounds such as 2 separate files. As Paul has mentioned if people arent careful this could screw up returns made to the RYA website. Would you be able to have a chat with Simon at Sailracer to see if a solution to this problem could be sought. Perhaps we need a link in each race to different class as well as PY that is currently available. Would need to make sure this info overrides main boat when uploading to the PYS though.
Thanks for all your great work on sailwave.
Chris Gandy
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From: Ian Day ian54day@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 March 2010 10:57
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: A single helm using different boats during a handicap series
The software as it stands can cope with scoring by helm rather than by boat, but it is a bit clunky, and the presentation of the results may leave some observers a bit confused.
If you add your competitors to the entry list for the series in the usual way, as they come along over the course of the first few races, you put them in in the first place with the boat that they sail in the first race in which they compete. Then for subsequent races where they are sailing a different boat, you can go into the Edit competitor window, and change things like Class and name of boat, if you want the results for that race to look sensible. Beware, though, that if you then output Series results, the last boat type and name entered will appear for the whole series!
There seems to be no problem with having the same boat against several competitors, as long as you do everything by Helm Name.
As an alternative, if you are not worried about the look of any particular race results, you can give the competitors who change boats a special Class of Various, and then use the Edit Result window to set the correct handicap race by race.
Colin did say, when I raised the question six months or so ago, that he was going to think about doing something better adapted in a future release, but I guess that is still as far as the subject has progressed!
Ian Day
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m_sumner
Sent: 09 March 2010 00:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: A single helm using different boats during a handicap series
Have only recently downloaded the software, looking forward to using this year. I know this is an old thread, but on looking through the update history I couldn’t see any reference to this issue.
At our club, helms make extensive use of different boats within a given series - to encourage participation, club members can use boats owned by the club, and may change between these, or their own boats, as availability allows.
Would very much like to be able to use this feature as soon as it is developed! In terms of display, I would think that individual race sheets should show the relevant class (and handicap); summary sheets should show ‘Various’. Might be nice to be able to show crew names on summary sheets, with ‘various’ also shown here where relevant.
On a related note, does having different helms on the same boat within a series cause any problems?
Also, we are trialling a rating supplement for under 16s and beginners - (a flat-rate figure for both, irrespective of class). Is there a way for these categories to apply an automatic adjustment to the class rating for these competitors?
Many thanks.
Mark
— In sailwave@yahoogroupscom, “Mike” <mdcroker@…> wrote:
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ian Day” <ian54day@> wrote:
From my point of view, the ability to specify Class and
Handicap with effect from a particular race (as exists for
the Handicap at present) would seem to fit the need. At
present, the “printout” of individual races picks up the
individual race handicap, so if it could also pick up the
individual race Class, that would give us the series result
we are looking for, and a set of readily understandable
individual race results.Agreed, but with the crew as well
The overall summary table shows
the “entry form” handicap, so it would be reasonable enough
for it to show the “entry form” Class, as that should be
consistent with the handicap.But if your club allows ‘helm’ entries, then surely you only want the helm to appear in the overall results table (not class, sail no, handicap, crew)?
The debate about whether or not it is a good idea to allow
something such as a change of boat mid-series is all very
well, but doesn’t really impact on the issue of whether or
not the tool for scoring the series can cope with it. My
Club has long had SI’s which allow it, so it would be great
if the scoring tool, which has so many other powerful and
desirable features, could cope with it!Agree with the desirability of scoring by helm as some clubs prefer it (just disagree with the underlying concept).
Mike
Lancing SC
