The members only increased due to the fact certain sailing clubs shut their doors to new members.
Your reasoning for chips does not hold up when it comes to small fleets or fleets that don’t get the numbers reghularly.
If a kid goes on hoilday for 2 weekends and then comes back and races and cause loads of boats sailed thoses two weekends and you din’t get the numbers thoughout the rest of the season, that kid could beat you all season but still lose to you due to thoese weekends is that fair.
What chips does is put a handicap on sailing if large fleets sail you get better results but if less sail you don’t.
Is there no skill to sail in all weather conditions? What chips does is reward for large fleets only.
If you bother to turn up and race, isn’t that enouragement enough know that your result means something. I know it does. You could ebnd up with a situtaion under chips that the results to a series are decided on how many turn up and not by sailing.
Your reasoning for chips is that you are rewarded by saiing in larghe fleets. One wendseday evening series it was 1/2 mph winds and loads went out and literally cheated just to better their position. At know other time through out the wendseday evening series did you get thoes types of numbrers sailing. That result had an effect on the results of the series. loads of people who would not normally beat people over a series did just cause of that one result. So your telling me that chips is a fair system, when one race can determin the whole series.
In low points scoring you can ensure a fairer system by the amount of discards used.
take simon gillow for example he tried to work out what he needed to do to improve his results on the last race he could do. He could not find out, as he said their were too many variables, like number sailing who sailing.
Shouldn’t that be skill which helps him improve his results not whether numbers turn up or not.
take this if 10 boats need to race for him to have any chance of improving but only 8 turn up is it his fault. No it just proves that his chances of improving are 0%, does that encourge anyone to sail?
where is the skill in that?
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From: andrewbowes andrewbowes@yahoo.co.uk
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 1:31:46 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: chipestaed siling clunb chips scoring
Hi David,
As I understand it, the points you have raised are the whole reason
of CHIPS existance. It awards higher points in larger fleets and
lower points in smaller fleets. That much has been very clear from
its inception, and has been explained on a number of occasions within
Chipstead Sailing Club - it is also explained fully in the
documentation freely available on the club’s website.
Contrary to your points regarding the systems fallibility when used
in a large fleet - the largest fleet in Chipstead Sailin Club, the
Laser Class (30 qualifiers in the points racing alone in 2008), has
consistantly chosen to retain the CHIPS scoring system as Laser class
members feel it is far superior to regular low point scoring in large
fleet series points production.
As with all available alternative scoring systems, CHIPS will have
fans, and people less enthuusiatic about it - hence why at our
sailing club, members are given the opportunity to vote during the
Class AGM’s on such matters - maybe your concerns should be raised
within your class agm where there is a forum to receive it formally?
As the Sailing Secretary for Chipstead Sailing Club, and having been
a Fleet Captain during the use of CHIPS at Chipstead SC, I am fully
aware of its implications on series points. I welcome your input,
but I feel the points you have raised hold no new information. Your
concerns are answered fully on the clubs website in the product
literature, and as such I suggest you discuss the matter at your next
Class AGM if you still feel that strongly about it.
Contrary to your comments regarding membership at our Club - this
actually increased in 2008 - unlike alot of club in the south east -
and we hope that it will continue to do so in 2009. Thanks for
asking!
Andrew Bowes
Laser
182222
Sailing Sec @ Chipstead Sailing Club
— In sailwave@yahoogroup s.com, DAVID CHESWORTH
<david.chesworth@ …> wrote:
this system like chips used at chipstead caues problerms.
You tell a kid who could not race 2 weekends but raced all others
that he can not beat another kid. cause the races he couldn’t race
had loads of competitors. thats what high points scoring does.At chipstead under low points scoring we had closes fleets causes
people can predict what result they need to beat  aniother boat and
didn’t have to rely on numbers turning up.How do you define skill by the number of boat sailing or by wether
you do well in a race of varying conditions.high points scoring
penalizes tsmall fleets and rewards large.At most clubs fleets vary in size over a season. On some races at
chipstead the results of the winner to a series was decided in the
summer, but if it was scored by low points scoring it would have come
down to the last race making an exciting end to a season.high points scoring is only ok if fleets stay roughly the same size
all season but theuy don’t.low points scoriong enourages people to sail that a fact and even
stated by the top rya instructors.scince high points scoring was introduced at chipstead memebrs
sailing has dropped, which proves the failure of the system to get
people to sail which is what we want.