[sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors across series files

James

Not that I am aware of.

John

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From: "James Lavery" <jlavery@bigfoot.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors across series files
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:26:02 -0000

Hi John,
Yes, I could do both these.

Doesn't Sailwave already have a facility for generating RYA return
information, though?

James

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "slow joe" <slowjoe38@h...> wrote:
> Herman
>
> My views are that it would be of great benefit if a database
facility could
> be created to: -
> 1. Store fleet data so that entrants can be easily
retrieved/entered into
> Sailwave
> 2. Store additional PY handicap data, which requires finishing
times to be
> retained (irrespective of OCS, DSQ, etc.); this would save re-
tabulated
> results for handicap assessment.
>
> Regards
> John Waters
> Chairman - Bangor Week 2005
> Sailing Committee - Ballyholme Yacht Club
> Northern Ireland
>
> >From: Herman van Beek <hvanbeek@c...>
> >Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> >To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors
across series
> >files
> >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:14:31 -0600
> >
> >James,
> >
> >Distributing mySQL would indeed be a nightmare for most users and
the
> >stream of questions for support could/would overwhelm even the
hardiest
> >of souls. This has nothing to do with the state of the program
and
> >everything with the complexity (for the majority of users) of
coping
> >with database software. Perhaps we should first try to describe
what we
> >would want the scoring environment using Sailwave to look like
once the
> >database is in full use (note that I didn't use the
word 'complete'!).
> >Here is my take and I invite others to contribute:
> >
> >1. Race results from Sailwave can be stored (i.e., import
function);
> >2. Database can be used to pre populate a Sailwave file (i.e.,
export
> >function);
> >3. Skipper and event data (e.g., pictures) can be stored and
related to
> >regatta/race/series results;
> >4. A simple procedural language (oxymoron?) allows users to
manipulate
> >stored data;
> >5. A simple but flexible publishing capability supports display
on any
> >Web browser from where it can be printed;
> >6. Ability to leverage work from others in the Sailwave community
via
> >knowledge base articles;
> >7. Cost commensurate with resources used;
> >8. Does not materially increase Colin's (or anyone else's)
support burden.
> >
> >If there is general agreement on these points then there is only
one
> >practical location for a database: on a server. You could even
consider
> >providing this as a service (for a nominal fee) from
sailwave.com. In
> >this environment, Colin could look at requests for new features as
> >either additions to Sailwave or suggest that the user use the
procedural
> >language to accomplish the task.
> >
> >Just some thoughts.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Herman
> >
> >James Lavery wrote:
> >
> > > HiHerman,
> > > Using Perl modules I can deliver a relational database
frontend,
> > > with the underlying storage in CSV format - so that if
necessary,
> > > users/administrators can use the raw data without exporting
> > > explicitly.
> > >
> > > I could use mySQL, but my main environment at home - and that
of
> > > potential users, generally - is Windows, and I don't think
mySQL is
> > > particularly easy to distribute/install. (Unless you know
> > > different?) However, I will look at mySQL - you've got me
> > > interested in this path...
> > >
> > > Once the data is in the database, I can publish/export in
XML/HTML
> > > etc with ease (dangerous statement). I will probably use XML
> > > internally, and XSLT (XSL stylesheets) to format the export
formats,
> > > to give flexibility on export formats, without having to
recode the
> > > application.
> > >
> > > I know that Colin is intending to add XML publishing to
Sailwave -
> > > one thing I could do now is to take a BLW file and produce an
XML
> > > format file from it, if this would be of use to you. Of
course, we
> > > need to come up with a schema, for which Colin should, I
think, be
> > > involved.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Herman van Beek
<hvanbeek@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi James,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the slow response - am busy getting ready for our
> > > Midwinters
> > > > regatta in Florida next week.
> > > >
> > > > A csv or tsv formatted file should work fine for
interfacing to
> > > Word
> > > > and Excel. However, in rereading the thread, I think there
may be
> > > an
> > > > expectation that much more would be delivered; i.e., a
relational
> > > > database program. My next major push is to do just that -
use
> > > MySQL
> > > > (free) to hold all results, write Perl or PHP utilities to
> > > manipulate
> > > > the data as needed, and then output to html templates for
> > > displaying
> > > > results on the Web. In that environment, I would like a more
> > > > intelligent output format from Sailwave with tags (like XML)
> > > because
> > > > over time I know I will be adding new parameters/criteria
that
> > > > could/will obsolete the csv/tsv format and require
reprogramming
> > > of the
> > > > interface.
> > > >
> > > > Would be interested to hear from others on this. It is
> > > conceivable to
> > > > design such a system to work with Access on a PC instead of
on a
> > > Web
> > > > server running Unix or Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Herman
> > > >
> > > > James Lavery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Herman,
> > > > > I'm currently looking at a simple csv or tsv (tab-separated
> > > format)
> > > > > for the actual data files - so that it's readable by
Word/Excel
> > > etc.
> > > > > if people want to 'do other things' with the data.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm also happy to use XML for the storage, and/or
> > > > > publish/import in a 'standard' XML format (I code in Perl
and XML
> > > > > daily at work). I'd be interested in your ideas on this
front,
> > > and
> > > > > would be happy to collaborate.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Herman van Beek"
> > > <hvanbeek@c...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great discussion and am keenly interested in outcome. My
> > > interest
> > > > > is
> > > > > > from another perspective: the regatta organizers. I use
Perl to
> > > > > create
> > > > > > about 20-30 on-line registrations per year for the MC
scow
> > > sailing
> > > > > > class (http://www.mcscow.org) <http://www.mcscow.org%29>
> > > <http://www.mcscow.org%29> and
> > > use the
> > > > > information collected to
> > > > > > display a list of registrants, provide organizers with
details
> > > of
> > > > > > meals and other items ordered, and drive the population
of
> > > scoring
> > > > > > programs. I currently support four (4): Sailwave, St Pete
> > > Scorer,
> > > > > > JavaScore, and one I wrote myself in Excel VB (MC
Score); see
> > > > > > http://www.mcscow.org/regatta/ for a brief description
of the
> > > > > system.
> > > > > > The interface becomes real messy when you have multiple
> > > fleets. Of
> > > > > > the four, I've found JavaScore the simplest - it uses an
XML
> > > > > format.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tracking the standings of competitors (I process about 50
> > > regattas
> > > > > per
> > > > > > year involving 500-600 participants) is best handled by a
> > > separate
> > > > > > database. And having, as others have already suggested,
> > > > > a "standard"
> > > > > > output format would make feeding that db a much more
manageable
> > > > > task.
> > > > > > The XML approach offers the best of both worlds: the
format is
> > > > > fixed
> > > > > > but the mark up language can be expanded to bring in new
> > > features -
> > > > > > and it is easy to create as well as parse!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Herman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "steven_atkinson"
> > > > > > <Steve.Atkinson@w...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "James Lavery"
> > > <jlavery@b...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > > > > Thanks - I'm in danger of overloading as well, but
this
> > > seems a
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > thing to do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Notes on the file format would be useful - I can
derive
> > > most
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > inspection, though. If you want to send it outside
the
> > > group
> > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > via email), that's fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't suppose you would consider making the file
format
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > > public knowledge. I've toyed with the idea in the past
of
> > > writing
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > perl or php so that I can just drop the .blw files
straight
> > > onto
> > > > > our
> > > > > > > club website and the cgi scripts display the
information by
> > > > > parsing
> > > > > > > the file. I just quite fancy the idea of being able to
do
> > > some
> > > > > > > interactive stuff like display all the results for a
> > > particular
> > > > > > boat,
> > > > > > > or display each race on a single page on it's own
without
> > > having
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > publish each race individually and things like that.
I've
> > > been a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > > wary of doing the work in the past just in case the
file
> > > format
> > > > > > > changes much between versions of sailwave and I have
to keep
> > > > > > updating
> > > > > > > my scripts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Steve Atkinson
> > > > > > > Carrickfergus Sailing Club
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RYA return info would be an attractive facility. The XML export facility
should be (???) capable to handle this? Hopefully RYA and other
authorities are capable to read and understand those?

Else - the Scandinavian Handicap - LYS - Leading Yard Stick does have a
specific report format (based on the RYA report). From the LYS - guide:

One txt file per sailed course:
line 1: Name on event max 55 char
line 2: Date 8 char
line 3: Wind strength number, max 2 char
line 4: Course lenght - one decimal NM
line 5: Course D for distance for Olympic
line 6: % of the course on a windward leg
line 7: Name and phone on R.O max 55 char
line 8: Comments max 55 char
line 9: Comments max 55 char

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-----Original Message-----
From: slow joe [mailto:slowjoe38@hotmail.com]
Sent: 14. mars 2004 23:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors across
series files

James

Not that I am aware of.

John

From: "James Lavery" <jlavery@bigfoot.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors across series
files
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:26:02 -0000

Hi John,
Yes, I could do both these.

Doesn't Sailwave already have a facility for generating RYA return
information, though?

James

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "slow joe" <slowjoe38@h...> wrote:
> Herman
>
> My views are that it would be of great benefit if a database
facility could
> be created to: -
> 1. Store fleet data so that entrants can be easily
retrieved/entered into
> Sailwave
> 2. Store additional PY handicap data, which requires finishing
times to be
> retained (irrespective of OCS, DSQ, etc.); this would save re-
tabulated
> results for handicap assessment.
>
> Regards
> John Waters
> Chairman - Bangor Week 2005
> Sailing Committee - Ballyholme Yacht Club
> Northern Ireland
>
>
> >From: Herman van Beek <hvanbeek@c...>
> >Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> >To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Database to collate competitors
across series
> >files
> >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:14:31 -0600
> >
> >James,
> >
> >Distributing mySQL would indeed be a nightmare for most users and
the
> >stream of questions for support could/would overwhelm even the
hardiest
> >of souls. This has nothing to do with the state of the program
and
> >everything with the complexity (for the majority of users) of
coping
> >with database software. Perhaps we should first try to describe
what we
> >would want the scoring environment using Sailwave to look like
once the
> >database is in full use (note that I didn't use the
word 'complete'!).
> >Here is my take and I invite others to contribute:
> >
> >1. Race results from Sailwave can be stored (i.e., import
function);
> >2. Database can be used to pre populate a Sailwave file (i.e.,
export
> >function);
> >3. Skipper and event data (e.g., pictures) can be stored and
related to
> >regatta/race/series results;
> >4. A simple procedural language (oxymoron?) allows users to
manipulate
> >stored data;
> >5. A simple but flexible publishing capability supports display
on any
> >Web browser from where it can be printed;
> >6. Ability to leverage work from others in the Sailwave community
via
> >knowledge base articles;
> >7. Cost commensurate with resources used;
> >8. Does not materially increase Colin's (or anyone else's)
support burden.
> >
> >If there is general agreement on these points then there is only
one
> >practical location for a database: on a server. You could even
consider
> >providing this as a service (for a nominal fee) from
sailwave.com. In
> >this environment, Colin could look at requests for new features as
> >either additions to Sailwave or suggest that the user use the
procedural
> >language to accomplish the task.
> >
> >Just some thoughts.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Herman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >James Lavery wrote:
> >
> > > HiHerman,
> > > Using Perl modules I can deliver a relational database
frontend,
> > > with the underlying storage in CSV format - so that if
necessary,
> > > users/administrators can use the raw data without exporting
> > > explicitly.
> > >
> > > I could use mySQL, but my main environment at home - and that
of
> > > potential users, generally - is Windows, and I don't think
mySQL is
> > > particularly easy to distribute/install. (Unless you know
> > > different?) However, I will look at mySQL - you've got me
> > > interested in this path...
> > >
> > > Once the data is in the database, I can publish/export in
XML/HTML
> > > etc with ease (dangerous statement). I will probably use XML
> > > internally, and XSLT (XSL stylesheets) to format the export
formats,
> > > to give flexibility on export formats, without having to
recode the
> > > application.
> > >
> > > I know that Colin is intending to add XML publishing to
Sailwave -
> > > one thing I could do now is to take a BLW file and produce an
XML
> > > format file from it, if this would be of use to you. Of
course, we
> > > need to come up with a schema, for which Colin should, I
think, be
> > > involved.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Herman van Beek
<hvanbeek@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi James,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the slow response - am busy getting ready for our
> > > Midwinters
> > > > regatta in Florida next week.
> > > >
> > > > A csv or tsv formatted file should work fine for
interfacing to
> > > Word
> > > > and Excel. However, in rereading the thread, I think there
may be
> > > an
> > > > expectation that much more would be delivered; i.e., a
relational
> > > > database program. My next major push is to do just that -
use
> > > MySQL
> > > > (free) to hold all results, write Perl or PHP utilities to
> > > manipulate
> > > > the data as needed, and then output to html templates for
> > > displaying
> > > > results on the Web. In that environment, I would like a more
> > > > intelligent output format from Sailwave with tags (like XML)
> > > because
> > > > over time I know I will be adding new parameters/criteria
that
> > > > could/will obsolete the csv/tsv format and require
reprogramming
> > > of the
> > > > interface.
> > > >
> > > > Would be interested to hear from others on this. It is
> > > conceivable to
> > > > design such a system to work with Access on a PC instead of
on a
> > > Web
> > > > server running Unix or Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Herman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > James Lavery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Herman,
> > > > > I'm currently looking at a simple csv or tsv (tab-separated
> > > format)
> > > > > for the actual data files - so that it's readable by
Word/Excel
> > > etc.
> > > > > if people want to 'do other things' with the data.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm also happy to use XML for the storage, and/or
> > > > > publish/import in a 'standard' XML format (I code in Perl
and XML
> > > > > daily at work). I'd be interested in your ideas on this
front,
> > > and
> > > > > would be happy to collaborate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Herman van Beek"
> > > <hvanbeek@c...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great discussion and am keenly interested in outcome. My
> > > interest
> > > > > is
> > > > > > from another perspective: the regatta organizers. I use
Perl to
> > > > > create
> > > > > > about 20-30 on-line registrations per year for the MC
scow
> > > sailing
> > > > > > class (http://www.mcscow.org) <http://www.mcscow.org%29>
> > > <http://www.mcscow.org%29> and
> > > use the
> > > > > information collected to
> > > > > > display a list of registrants, provide organizers with
details
> > > of
> > > > > > meals and other items ordered, and drive the population
of
> > > scoring
> > > > > > programs. I currently support four (4): Sailwave, St Pete
> > > Scorer,
> > > > > > JavaScore, and one I wrote myself in Excel VB (MC
Score); see
> > > > > > http://www.mcscow.org/regatta/ for a brief description
of the
> > > > > system.
> > > > > > The interface becomes real messy when you have multiple
> > > fleets. Of
> > > > > > the four, I've found JavaScore the simplest - it uses an
XML
> > > > > format.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tracking the standings of competitors (I process about 50
> > > regattas
> > > > > per
> > > > > > year involving 500-600 participants) is best handled by a
> > > separate
> > > > > > database. And having, as others have already suggested,
> > > > > a "standard"
> > > > > > output format would make feeding that db a much more
manageable
> > > > > task.
> > > > > > The XML approach offers the best of both worlds: the
format is
> > > > > fixed
> > > > > > but the mark up language can be expanded to bring in new
> > > features -
> > > > > > and it is easy to create as well as parse!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Herman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "steven_atkinson"
> > > > > > <Steve.Atkinson@w...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "James Lavery"
> > > <jlavery@b...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Colin,
> > > > > > > > Thanks - I'm in danger of overloading as well, but
this
> > > seems a
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > thing to do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Notes on the file format would be useful - I can
derive
> > > most
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > inspection, though. If you want to send it outside
the
> > > group
> > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > via email), that's fine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't suppose you would consider making the file
format
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > > public knowledge. I've toyed with the idea in the past
of
> > > writing
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > perl or php so that I can just drop the .blw files
straight
> > > onto
> > > > > our
> > > > > > > club website and the cgi scripts display the
information by
> > > > > parsing
> > > > > > > the file. I just quite fancy the idea of being able to
do
> > > some
> > > > > > > interactive stuff like display all the results for a
> > > particular
> > > > > > boat,
> > > > > > > or display each race on a single page on it's own
without
> > > having
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > publish each race individually and things like that.
I've
> > > been a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > > wary of doing the work in the past just in case the
file
> > > format
> > > > > > > changes much between versions of sailwave and I have
to keep
> > > > > > updating
> > > > > > > my scripts.
> > > > > > >
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