[sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Firstly the race comm should not have altered ANY results without a protest or redress hearing.

Boat B should have protested A.

The Protest comm should have DSQ A

Boat B should have sought redress and been given fist place with boat C, given second place.

How did it end up?

Regards,

Andy

Redress would not be available to Boat B as rule 62.1(b) has a requirement for redress that there was physical damage because of an action of a boat that was breaking a rule of Part 2…

In this case although a yacht may have broken a rule of Part 2 there is no evidence of physical damage, therefore redress would be denied.

John Bullot.

International Judge

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Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Firstly the race comm should not have altered ANY results without a protest or redress hearing.

Boat B should have protested A.
The Protest comm should have DSQ A
Boat B should have sought redress and been given fist place with boat C, given second place.
How did it end up?
Regards,
Andy

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Ok,

Just to keep this running for a while, I agree with Andy on this one. While rule 62.1(b) does state physical damage, it also states in 62.1(d) that redress can be given against a boat that has received a disciplinary action under section 69.1(b).

So I suppose the course of action would be to raise the protest against boat A, then if the claim is upheld, apply for redress.

As another issue, boat B did not need to do her turns for hitting the mark as she had been infringed upon by boat A, which resulted in the mark touching incident.

Phil Watkins

Interested to see if I’m right :wink:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Shabda [mailto:shabda@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:37 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Redress would not be available to Boat B as rule 62.1(b) has a requirement for redress that there was physical damage because of an action of a boat that was breaking a rule of Part 2…

In this case although a yacht may have broken a rule of Part 2 there is no evidence of physical damage, therefore redress would be denied.

John Bullot.

International Judge

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Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2003 09:49
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Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Firstly the race comm should not have altered ANY results without a protest or redress hearing.

Boat B should have protested A.

The Protest comm should have DSQ A
Boat B should have sought redress and been given fist place with boat C, given second place.
How did it end up?
Regards,
Andy

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I just completed a US Sailing Race Management Seminar and we discussed the
described incident. Based on those discussions:

A) The Race Committee should record both finish times for all boats

B) B should protest A

C) B should also request redress

D) Final ruling from protest committee should make B the winner using
her “first” finish time, C second and A third (because A did the turns to
exonerate herself) based on her 2nd finish time.

-Bill Hunt

Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club

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-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Watkins [mailto:phil.watkins@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:15 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Ok,

Just to keep this running for a while, I agree with Andy on this one. While
rule 62.1(b) does state physical damage, it also states in 62.1(d) that
redress can be given against a boat that has received a disciplinary action
under section 69.1(b).

So I suppose the course of action would be to raise the protest against boat
A, then if the claim is upheld, apply for redress.

As another issue, boat B did not need to do her turns for hitting the mark
as she had been infringed upon by boat A, which resulted in the mark
touching incident.

Phil Watkins

Interested to see if I'm right :wink:

-----Original Message-----
From: Shabda [mailto:shabda@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:37 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Redress would not be available to Boat B as rule 62.1(b) has a requirement
for redress that there was physical damage because of an action of a boat
that was breaking a rule of Part 2....

In this case although a yacht may have broken a rule of Part 2 there is no
evidence of physical damage, therefore redress would be denied.

John Bullot.

International Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2003 09:49
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query - lots to think about

Firstly the race comm should not have altered ANY results without a protest
or redress hearing.

Boat B should have protested A.
The Protest comm should have DSQ A
Boat B should have sought redress and been given fist place with boat C,
given second place.
How did it end up?
Regards,
Andy

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