Mark, it’s not so much that we can’t read the appropriate rule, it’s the understanding or interpretation that is being questioned.
i.e. does a boat have to sail completely through the start line to have started, or can he put his nose over and then dip behind the mark. (no he can’t because of the ‘string’ interpritation)
regards
Andy
I have listed below what I believe are the salient points.
1. A boat starts when any part of her hull crosses the line. A boat that
comes to the starting area but fails to cross the line would be scored DNS,
a boat that crosses the starting line but fails to finish would be scored
DNF, a boat that does not come to the starting area would be scored DNC.
2. A boat does not have to sail the correct course to be given a finishing
gun. Even if a race committee observes a competitor missing a mark, and
therefore failing to sail the course correctly under rule 28.1, the RC must
give the boat a finishing position and then protest under Rule 63.1
3. A boat finishes when any part of her hull or crew crosses the line,
however you can sail away without having ever completely crossed the line.
If after having finished you hit the finish mark you must take a penalty
(360) and refinish. Rule 31.1.
Mark T
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 05, 2003 02:46:17 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
Mark, it's not so much that we can't read the appropriate rule, it's the
understanding or interpretation that is being questioned.
i.e. does a boat have to sail completely through the start line to have
started, or can he put his nose over and then dip behind the mark. (no he
can't because of the 'string' interpritation)
regards
Andy
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To me this implies that is incumbent on the race committee to record two
finishing times for a boat that hits the finishing mark: 1) when she
initially crosses the line, and 2) when she again crosses after taking
penalty turns. That way she has the right to argue that she was forced into
the mark illegally by another boat and her original finishing time would be
used. If the PC disagrees, then her 2nd finishing time would be used. This
is the only way for a skipper who is in doubt of the results to be fairly
treated. He should not be penalized in this case for taking what I would
call precautionary turns, if he fails to take the turns and is ruled against
by the PC he then has no choice but to retire or take DSQ.
-Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Townsend [mailto:s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:09 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
I have listed below what I believe are the salient points.
1. A boat starts when any part of her hull crosses the line. A boat that
comes to the starting area but fails to cross the line would be scored DNS,
a boat that crosses the starting line but fails to finish would be scored
DNF, a boat that does not come to the starting area would be scored DNC.
2. A boat does not have to sail the correct course to be given a finishing
gun. Even if a race committee observes a competitor missing a mark, and
therefore failing to sail the course correctly under rule 28.1, the RC must
give the boat a finishing position and then protest under Rule 63.1
3. A boat finishes when any part of her hull or crew crosses the line,
however you can sail away without having ever completely crossed the line.
If after having finished you hit the finish mark you must take a penalty
(360) and refinish. Rule 31.1.
Mark T
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 05, 2003 02:46:17 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
Mark, it's not so much that we can't read the appropriate rule, it's the
understanding or interpretation that is being questioned.
i.e. does a boat have to sail completely through the start line to have
started, or can he put his nose over and then dip behind the mark. (no he
can't because of the 'string' interpritation)
regards
Andy
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The procedure that we use is record a finish time/position for all boats
that cross the line, regardless of our opinion as to the validity of the
boats finishing position. This allows you to sort out what is the correct
finish time/position later when things are a little calmer.
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:22:23 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
To me this implies that is incumbent on the race committee to record two
finishing times for a boat that hits the finishing mark: 1) when she
initially crosses the line, and 2) when she again crosses after taking
penalty turns. That way she has the right to argue that she was forced into
the mark illegally by another boat and her original finishing time would be
used. If the PC disagrees, then her 2nd finishing time would be used. This
is the only way for a skipper who is in doubt of the results to be fairly
treated. He should not be penalized in this case for taking what I would
call precautionary turns, if he fails to take the turns and is ruled against
by the PC he then has no choice but to retire or take DSQ.
-Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Townsend [mailto:s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:09 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
I have listed below what I believe are the salient points.
1. A boat starts when any part of her hull crosses the line. A boat that
comes to the starting area but fails to cross the line would be scored DNS,
a boat that crosses the starting line but fails to finish would be scored
DNF, a boat that does not come to the starting area would be scored DNC.
2. A boat does not have to sail the correct course to be given a finishing
gun. Even if a race committee observes a competitor missing a mark, and
therefore failing to sail the course correctly under rule 28.1, the RC must
give the boat a finishing position and then protest under Rule 63.1
3. A boat finishes when any part of her hull or crew crosses the line,
however you can sail away without having ever completely crossed the line.
If after having finished you hit the finish mark you must take a penalty
(360) and refinish. Rule 31.1.
Mark T
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 05, 2003 02:46:17 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] rrs - finishing query
Mark, it's not so much that we can't read the appropriate rule, it's the
understanding or interpretation that is being questioned.
i.e. does a boat have to sail completely through the start line to have
started, or can he put his nose over and then dip behind the mark. (no he
can't because of the 'string' interpritation)
regards
Andy
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