[sailwave] Scoring flights

Martin_Bolgen · 22 April 2005 06:26

Yes, it gives a practical starting line. This weekend we're going to have prox.140+ Optimists racing.... It's first time for the scorer using SW, and also flight racing...

I used this first time in 2002, when we were running the European Championship for 49'ers... SW was not prepeared for it at that time, so I had to use RaceSail for scoring. It's a nice program too, but after scoring I used SW for the presentations.... It worked so good for both the raceboard and web... Even thoug I had to export from RaceSail and import in SW, the prelimerary results was out (board and web!) before the sailors entered the beach!

Also new/rearranged groups/flights was finished, and out, just seconds after the jury meetings. That was something new then for those sailors!

There are still happening things. I can reccomend a look at these websites: http://www.prosail.no

Tell me what you think! I've dreamed about it!

Regards Martin

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From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com>
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0100

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We tend to refer to it as racing in flights (or something like that) 
 
It was devised to deal with large fleets when a long start line was impractical. 
I first came across it when Toppers stopped using a gate start & needed a practical way of using 
fixed start lines. 
The Topper event I recently did was for 135 boats & it made managing the start line so much easier. 
 
A variation on flights is when there is a Qualification series (quite often used for larger 
asymmetric events such as 29er & 49er) where the flights are set for the day & reassigned for the 
next day, based on end of day positions in the Qualification series. 
 
I know Colin enquired some time ago about the various types of flight racing, so no doubt we will 
see the system being refined in future releases. I guess he will appreciate any feedback you can 
give after the weekend as not many SUG members have come across the need for flights. 
 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Bolgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 21 April 2005 22:40 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
 
Thanks, Ralph! 
Just what I was afraid of..... Have to do manual work.... And think too ! 
Well, I've tested and it works fine for me. It would be nice if Colin did something about this in 
1.59. 
 
So, what do you call this kind of racing? In Norway we call it group racing, since every flight 
consists of two groups. Its not that much used, because you should have a number of boats to use it. 
 
Regards 
Martin 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ralph Tingle 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:25 PM 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
Hi Martin 
Yes, you use the Tools + re-arrange (don't forget to select that flight only) 
I used the tool first to move places up or down & then changed the DSQ to a position, so that it 
was 
not changed. 
 
Colin is aware of this, which occurs (I think) due to the fact that you have chosen to permit more 
than one 1st, 2nd etc. 
 
For the first race, I sorted by finishing position to make sure that I had 2 of each 
Also learnt after the first mistake, to do regular backups so that I could go back a race if 
necessary 
 
Best of luck this weekend 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
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From: mboelgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 21 April 2005 22:15 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
 
 
Hi! This weekend we're going to have flights in an Optimist event, and 
I suddently discovered that: 
If I Score a DSQ, after finishing all boats by sailnumberwizard, then 
the actual boat gets the correct score... But all the other boats are 
not "moved up". Actually SW leaves a hole in the list in one flight. 
 
To get around it I need to use Tools+ Rearrange recorded places. Is it 
a bug? 
I'm using 1.58 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RalphT · 22 April 2005 08:13

Hi Martin
Guess we both share the same dream!

My research has tended to be around how to communicate electronically between the Committee Boat &
competitors, especially when trying to accurately record class, sail number and time when finishing
a General Handicap for 250 dinghies - VERY TESTING!!

I was watching a programme on TV called Adventure Tri, which is a variation of the Triathlon, but
competitors stop after each discipline & so need to monitor cumulative times. They use a system
referred to as RFD? where each competitor wears a transponder round their ankle (even during the
swimming event) and when they cross a mat containing a receiver, the data is automatically
collected. This system is now being used in large commercial warehousing operations to track &
locate pallet loads using a larger & more robust receiver station.

The British Triathlon organisation gave me the following information:

There are two transponder-based systems routinely used (very successfully) at triathlons :

ChampionChip (which is used extensively in running road races as well) and HS Systems - new to
triathlon in 2004 but well established in motor racing and cycle racing.<
Unfortunately, my attempts to get information from these companies has been rather fruitless.

Other events have overtaken this research but I still have it in mind as a possibly cost-effective
solution to gathering starting & finishing data. Such systems are obviously out of reach of the
smaller clubs but we run some 20+ big events each year & so the investment is likely to be
justified.

Your proposals look fantastic but at 17-18,0000 euros plus 750 euros per boat this is likely to be
way out of reach of clubs running big dinghy events.

Anyone else out there done any research on the subject??

Regards
Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin B�lgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 22 April 2005 07:26
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring flights

Yes, it gives a practical starting line. This weekend we're going to have prox.140+ Optimists
racing.... It's first time for the scorer using SW, and also flight racing...

I used this first time in 2002, when we were running the European Championship for 49'ers... SW was
not prepeared for it at that time, so I had to use RaceSail for scoring. It's a nice program too,
but after scoring I used SW for the presentations.... It worked so good for both the raceboard and
web... Even thoug I had to export from RaceSail and import in SW, the prelimerary results was out
(board and web!) before the sailors entered the beach!

Also new/rearranged groups/flights was finished, and out, just seconds after the jury meetings. That
was something new then for those sailors!

There are still happening things. I can reccomend a look at these websites: http://www.prosail.no

Tell me what you think! I've dreamed about it!

Regards Martin

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0100

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We tend to refer to it as racing in flights (or something like that) 
 
It was devised to deal with large fleets when a long start line was impractical. 
I first came across it when Toppers stopped using a gate start & needed a practical way of

using

fixed start lines. 
The Topper event I recently did was for 135 boats & it made managing the start line so much

easier.

A variation on flights is when there is a Qualification series (quite often used for larger 
asymmetric events such as 29er & 49er) where the flights are set for the day & reassigned for

the

next day, based on end of day positions in the Qualification series. 
 
I know Colin enquired some time ago about the various types of flight racing, so no doubt we

will

see the system being refined in future releases. I guess he will appreciate any feedback you

can

give after the weekend as not many SUG members have come across the need for flights. 
 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Bolgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 21 April 2005 22:40 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
 
Thanks, Ralph! 
Just what I was afraid of..... Have to do manual work.... And think too ! 
Well, I've tested and it works fine for me. It would be nice if Colin did something about this

in

1.59. 
 
So, what do you call this kind of racing? In Norway we call it group racing, since every flight 
consists of two groups. Its not that much used, because you should have a number of boats to use

it.

Regards 
Martin 
� ----- Original Message ----- 
� From: Ralph Tingle 
� To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
� Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:25 PM 
� Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
� Hi Martin 
� Yes, you use the Tools + re-arrange (don't forget to select that flight only) 
� I used the tool first to move places up or down & then changed the DSQ to a position, so that

it

was 
� not changed. 
 
� Colin is aware of this, which occurs (I think) due to the fact that you have chosen to permit

more

� than one 1st, 2nd etc. 
 
� For the first race, I sorted by finishing position to make sure that I had 2 of each 
� Also learnt after the first mistake, to do regular backups so that I could go back a race if 
� necessary 
 
� Best of luck this weekend 
 
� Regards 
� Ralph 
 
 
 
� -----Original Message----- 
� From: mboelgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
� Sent: 21 April 2005 22:15 
� To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
� Subject: [sailwave] Scoring flights - HELP! 
 
 
 
 
� Hi! This weekend we're going to have flights in an Optimist event, and 
� I suddently discovered that: 
� If I Score a DSQ, after finishing all boats by sailnumberwizard, then 
� the actual boat gets the correct score... But all the other boats are 
� not "moved up". Actually SW leaves a hole in the list in one flight. 
 
� To get around it I need to use Tools+ Rearrange recorded places. Is it 
� a bug? 
� I'm using 1.58 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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