Greate!
Then I'll just wait.
Regards,
Martin
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From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:19:58 +0100
Ralph/Martin,
My plan is to have a race specific flight value, like race specific ratings,
with various methods of rotating from race to race, including chaging that
method at any point through the series.Regards,
Colin J
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 26 May 2005 12:12
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Think I am with you now Martin
You are correct (I think) that Colin has only set up 'fixed'
flight allocations
I am assuming that the development plan includes covering
changing flights each day but suspect my
recent post on the Medemlblik regatta may put the development
further down the queue.In programming terms, the most common/'official' method should be
the basis of the system, allowing
for variations, but unfortunately, the Flight, Qual/Finals
scoring systems have yet to settle down.Colin, you might need to speak to Jerome Pels for guidance
Regards
Ralph-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bolgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 25 May 2005 22:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Brits ARE making it difficult... Have you ever tough about why a
12 gauge shotgun has less diameter
than a 10 gauge ? I can explain it, but du you want it?Well, I can't see how SW (at this point) can deal with boats
changing flights every day, and still
keep race results from previous days... When you rescore,
everything will be inconsistent. Anyway,
the way a boat belongs to flights are set for the file(regata)
not for the race...?Sorry, I don't get it
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Thanks Martin
Thought it was only the Brits who could devise a difficult
ranking systemI am afraid that I cannot quite understand your points re 9er
Qualification.
In case you are used to dealing with a different method of Qual
& Finals, I am using Appendix K(E)
Addendum C as basis for my logic.My thoughts are that it is the same principle and set up method
in SW as the flights we have been
talking about recently where the flight colours are entered for
each race/start, but
- the format of which colours race against each other remains
the same each day e.g yellow v blue,
red v green all day or a rotation of some sort (This is
optional for organisers - Addendum C does
not say)
- boats are re-allocated to different flights at the end of the
day on the basis of para 7.2
- At the end of the Qual series, boats are re-allocated to
Gold, Silver etc & remain in those
fleets
for the remainder of the regatta.Eventually, it is hoped that SW can
- automate the process of 7.2
- Score the Finals as separate fleets from that point on, but
carry forward the Qualification
scores
without re-calculating (that's the difficult one Colin bit like
converting spreadsheet formulae to
values)At least for the time being, SW can deal with the above,
although it is a bit labour intensive.Regards
Ralph-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bolgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 21 May 2005 16:48
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Hi, Ralph!
I'm not sure who is missing something, but you have for sure
comed across another way of doing
things. Since it's about sailing, I hope you're not suprised!Yes, we want to merge several flight-regattas.
The idea is that you make up flight-regattas, and score them as
individuals. Then, for ranking
purposes, we want's to merge them and the competitors can
discard their worst scores. No matter
which start, but the worst scores. I do know the system you're
pointing at, but this is the way
the
Optimists in Norway wants it.The ranking is also for qualifying to international regattas...
And in the end, we want to merge
all
national optimists regattas (4 a year) into one overall
regatta, with the same way of discarding
races...Hope this was clearifying what I wants.
Anyway, I still think that the flight has to be linked to the
rac (or start), otherwise the 9er
system can't be working either. In a -9er qualifying series all
runs counts, even if the flight
members changes around. Because of that, flights can't be a
static value for the whole Regatta (or
series).Agree?
Regard,
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Hi Martin
I understand the 9er Qualification system your are talking
about, where the make up of flights
changes at the end of the day, & I presume that Colin will be
addressing this at some point.
What is confusing me is the need to merge two (flighted)
series into one.One of the basic concepts of flights is that all competitors
will sail against all the others
during
the regatta.
To merge two flights series into one, so that each individual
race counts towards an overall
merged
series, is something that I have not come across, as you
would not be able to satisfy the above
conceptIn an earlier email, you made reference to a ranking series
(Optimist?) - is this the scenario
you
are trying to deal with?
If this is the case, most ranking series I have come across
are based upon the positions in each
regatta going forward to the ranking series as an 'individual race'.
In this instance, there would be a need to merge the final
result only.Am I missing something???
Regards
Ralph-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bolgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 20 May 2005 23:53
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Colin Jenkins
Subject: [sailwave] SW Flights v.1.62Colin,
I've been testing 1.62 a bit....
It looks good to me, an all new stuff looks greate.
But:
Scoring flights seems to work in one regatta. Haven't found
any problems yet....When merging two regattas into one series, flights don't
work.... I don't get the (new) flights
from
the second regatta. Then scoring is not possible....Maybe flights can't be a "column" (that is Regatta spesific),
but have to be competitor or race
specific.... For having SW to handle the AppLE (earlier KE),
I think it has to be race
spesific....
Because when racing in, lets say, 49er Worlds, flights
changes every day- And it is not given (I
think) how many times each boat is in a flight. Except then
it has to be equal for all.... ( I
think). Take a look in the SI I sent you for that...Also I want, for the one regatta option, th have the
properties tree to show how many boats in
each
flight....regards,
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