[sailwave] usability

Hi!
I've been thinking about these things too for a while, and I tried to mention it this summer... But, everybody was probably too busy sailing then...

I'm an IT professional, so I'm quite happy about all the flexibilities in Sailwave. But, I'm quite sure that for most (or at least many) users, sailwave is now quite a challange to use. It started out with an idea about userfriendlyness an easy to use software, and has now grown to handle almost every possible wish from alot of clubs around the world. Beside the IT/Computer skills needed, you also have to be expirienced in RRS and "local rules". None of those is simple!

I've been wondering about how it should have been, if it was wanted to handle "everything", and be easy to use. I think that it is not only one answer, but two:

1. A wisard to guide you through "straight" setups, like plain RRS. Maybe predefined "templates" could do it? I've missed templates anyway, so that I could save and reuse them depending on wich series I wanted to make....

2. A tree with all options. Make sure that when selecting in the tree, it should not be possible to make ambigious selections.

A total different way is to split Sailwave into several smaller pieces, like:
SW Dinghy scoring
SW OneDesign Scoring
SW Handicap scoring
SW Team Racing

I think splitting woul make the most userfriendly version, but also the least flexible and hardest to maintain....

Regards

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Colin Jenkins <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:08 +0000

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Hi,<BR>
<BR>
One of the things that has made Sailwave popular is usability. But as <BR>
more and more things need to be user pre-defined - new points systems, <BR>
rating systems, rating values, publishing options, templates, styles etc <BR>
etc, competitors, starts, usability could get compromised<BR>
<BR>
Currently the approach has been for the user to create ASCII files by <BR>
hand and point Sailwave at them (or force them to be created in a <BR>
specific folder). This is OK for confident computer users but is it <BR>
onerous for other users? Would it be better if there was a single <BR>
Tools+Setup item that displayed a tree of all the stuff the user could <BR>
define and have a dedicated editing window (etc) for each.<BR>
<BR>
I would envisage all this setup data being stored in a single ASCII <BR>
(XML) file so that 'expert' users could still edit it by hand if required.<BR>
<BR>
Any strong opinions?<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
Colin J<BR>
www.sailwave.com<BR>
<BR>
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Martin,

Scoring systems was one of this things on my list here to be 'templatefied' but didn't get to the email - i.e. instead of struggling with Edit+ScoringSystem options you could additionally pick from predefined and user defined sets of alternatives. This would include the finishing code sets. It also means that when scoring by fleet (etc) you could pick a scoring system, standard appendix A (shot series), standard appendix a (long series), etc

Ditto publishing option sets and other places that N things need setting.

However my worry is more about the complexity generated by having to fiddle with files and point Sailwave at them etc. I'm unsure as to whether or not this is in fact an onerous task to some users...

There is nothing to loose by having a central database of 'stuff' if it's based on an ASCII file because the 'experts' can still fiddle with it by hand (and delevop alternative interfaces into it) - but there anything to gain...?

I want my philsophy to be "implement what is best for the user not what's easiest to implement' but sometimes it's difficult to know what that means; especially if like me, you are happy as a pig in **** messging with text files... :slight_smile:

I am going to make a go this year to changing Sailwave to the way it should be... The probloem has been one of evolution; the original design was never intended to support so many options...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

Martin B�lgen wrote:

···

Hi!
I've been thinking about these things too for a while, and I tried to mention it this summer... But, everybody was probably too busy sailing then...

I'm an IT professional, so I'm quite happy about all the flexibilities in Sailwave. But, I'm quite sure that for most (or at least many) users, sailwave is now quite a challange to use. It started out with an idea about userfriendlyness an easy to use software, and has now grown to handle almost every possible wish from alot of clubs around the world. Beside the IT/Computer skills needed, you also have to be expirienced in RRS and "local rules". None of those is simple!

I've been wondering about how it should have been, if it was wanted to handle "everything", and be easy to use. I think that it is not only one answer, but two:

1. A wisard to guide you through "straight" setups, like plain RRS. Maybe predefined "templates" could do it? I've missed templates anyway, so that I could save and reuse them depending on wich series I wanted to make....

2. A tree with all options. Make sure that when selecting in the tree, it should not be possible to make ambigious selections.

A total different way is to split Sailwave into several smaller pieces, like:
SW Dinghy scoring
SW OneDesign Scoring
SW Handicap scoring
SW Team Racing

I think splitting woul make the most userfriendly version, but also the least flexible and hardest to maintain....

Regards

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Colin Jenkins <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:08 +0000

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Hi,<BR>
<BR>
One of the things that has made Sailwave popular is usability. But as <BR>
more and more things need to be user pre-defined - new points systems, <BR>
rating systems, rating values, publishing options, templates, styles etc <BR>
etc, competitors, starts, usability could get compromised<BR>
<BR>
Currently the approach has been for the user to create ASCII files by <BR>
hand and point Sailwave at them (or force them to be created in a <BR>
specific folder). This is OK for confident computer users but is it <BR>
onerous for other users? Would it be better if there was a single <BR>
Tools+Setup item that displayed a tree of all the stuff the user could <BR>
define and have a dedicated editing window (etc) for each.<BR>
<BR>
I would envisage all this setup data being stored in a single ASCII <BR>
(XML) file so that 'expert' users could still edit it by hand if required.<BR>
<BR>
Any strong opinions?<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
Colin J<BR>
www.sailwave.com<BR>
<BR>
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Colin,
I am brand new inductee to Sailwave, mainly involved the web posting end
rather than the scoring end. I have to anticipate what the scorers will
produce and hope it will conform to our web style.
To help with this, if the properties->series properties would come up
with default values for the website, email, and burgee entries, it would
be very convenient.
It seems to come up with default names for the event and venue names,
using the last saved values.
Maybe there is something I am missing, in which case I would appreciate
a pointer in the right directionl
Thanks
Derek Storm

Colin Jenkins wrote:

Martin,

Scoring systems was one of this things on my list here to be
'templatefied' but didn't get to the email - i.e. instead of struggling
with Edit+ScoringSystem options you could additionally pick from
predefined and user defined sets of alternatives. This would include
the finishing code sets. It also means that when scoring by fleet (etc)
you could pick a scoring system, standard appendix A (shot series),
standard appendix a (long series), etc

Ditto publishing option sets and other places that N things need setting.

However my worry is more about the complexity generated by having to
fiddle with files and point Sailwave at them etc. I'm unsure as to
whether or not this is in fact an onerous task to some users...

There is nothing to loose by having a central database of 'stuff' if
it's based on an ASCII file because the 'experts' can still fiddle with
it by hand (and delevop alternative interfaces into it) - but there
anything to gain...?

I want my philsophy to be "implement what is best for the user not
what's easiest to implement' but sometimes it's difficult to know what
that means; especially if like me, you are happy as a pig in ****
messging with text files... :slight_smile:

I am going to make a go this year to changing Sailwave to the way it
should be... The probloem has been one of evolution; the original
design was never intended to support so many options...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

Martin Bølgen wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I've been thinking about these things too for a while, and I tried
to mention it this summer... But, everybody was probably too busy
sailing then...
>
> I'm an IT professional, so I'm quite happy about all the
flexibilities in Sailwave. But, I'm quite sure that for most (or at
least many) users, sailwave is now quite a challange to use. It
started out with an idea about userfriendlyness an easy to use
software, and has now grown to handle almost every possible wish from
alot of clubs around the world. Beside the IT/Computer skills needed,
you also have to be expirienced in RRS and "local rules". None of
those is simple!
>
> I've been wondering about how it should have been, if it was wanted
to handle "everything", and be easy to use. I think that it is not
only one answer, but two:
>
> 1. A wisard to guide you through "straight" setups, like plain RRS.
Maybe predefined "templates" could do it? I've missed templates
anyway, so that I could save and reuse them depending on wich series I
wanted to make....
>
> 2. A tree with all options. Make sure that when selecting in the
tree, it should not be possible to make ambigious selections.
>
> A total different way is to split Sailwave into several smaller
pieces, like:
> SW Dinghy scoring
> SW OneDesign Scoring
> SW Handicap scoring
> SW Team Racing
>
> I think splitting woul make the most userfriendly version, but also
the least flexible and hardest to maintain....
>
> Regards
>
> From: Colin Jenkins <colin@sailwave.com>
> Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:08 +0000
>
>
>><html><body>
>>
>>
>>
>><tt>
>>Hi,<BR>
>><BR>
>>One of the things that has made Sailwave popular is usability. But
as <BR>
>>more and more things need to be user pre-defined - new points
systems, <BR>
>>rating systems, rating values, publishing options, templates, styles
etc <BR>
>>etc, competitors, starts, usability could get compromised<BR>
>><BR>
>>Currently the approach has been for the user to create ASCII files
by <BR>
>>hand and point Sailwave at them (or force them to be created in a <BR>
>>specific folder). This is OK for confident computer users but is it
<BR>
>>onerous for other users? Would it be better if there was a single <BR>
>>Tools+Setup item that displayed a tree of all the stuff the user
could <BR>
>>define and have a dedicated editing window (etc) for each.<BR>
>><BR>
>>I would envisage all this setup data being stored in a single ASCII <BR>
>>(XML) file so that 'expert' users could still edit it by hand if
required.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Any strong opinions?<BR>
>><BR>
>>-- <BR>
>><BR>
>>Regards,<BR>
>>Colin J<BR>
>>www.sailwave.com<BR>
>><BR>
>></tt>
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Hi Derek,

I just checked the code and it should load up the last used values if the values are blank going into the window. Have a look in windows\sailwave2.ivi and check that the Remember section has entroies for all the fields. If not if could be that you don't have write access to the ini file on your computer. An alternative approach is to create a seletal series set up the way you want and when creating a new series edit that one and then do a SaveAs to create the new series. i.e. use the series as a template.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

Derek Storm wrote:

···

Colin,
I am brand new inductee to Sailwave, mainly involved the web posting end rather than the scoring end. I have to anticipate what the scorers will produce and hope it will conform to our web style. To help with this, if the properties->series properties would come up with default values for the website, email, and burgee entries, it would be very convenient.
It seems to come up with default names for the event and venue names, using the last saved values. Maybe there is something I am missing, in which case I would appreciate a pointer in the right directionl
Thanks
Derek Storm

Colin Jenkins wrote:

Martin,

Scoring systems was one of this things on my list here to be
'templatefied' but didn't get to the email - i.e. instead of struggling
with Edit+ScoringSystem options you could additionally pick from
predefined and user defined sets of alternatives. This would include
the finishing code sets. It also means that when scoring by fleet (etc)
you could pick a scoring system, standard appendix A (shot series),
standard appendix a (long series), etc

Ditto publishing option sets and other places that N things need setting.

However my worry is more about the complexity generated by having to
fiddle with files and point Sailwave at them etc. I'm unsure as to
whether or not this is in fact an onerous task to some users...

There is nothing to loose by having a central database of 'stuff' if
it's based on an ASCII file because the 'experts' can still fiddle with
it by hand (and delevop alternative interfaces into it) - but there
anything to gain...?

I want my philsophy to be "implement what is best for the user not
what's easiest to implement' but sometimes it's difficult to know what
that means; especially if like me, you are happy as a pig in ****
messging with text files... :slight_smile:

I am going to make a go this year to changing Sailwave to the way it
should be... The probloem has been one of evolution; the original
design was never intended to support so many options...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

Martin B�lgen wrote:

Hi!
I've been thinking about these things too for a while, and I tried

to mention it this summer... But, everybody was probably too busy sailing then...

I'm an IT professional, so I'm quite happy about all the

flexibilities in Sailwave. But, I'm quite sure that for most (or at least many) users, sailwave is now quite a challange to use. It started out with an idea about userfriendlyness an easy to use software, and has now grown to handle almost every possible wish from alot of clubs around the world. Beside the IT/Computer skills needed, you also have to be expirienced in RRS and "local rules". None of those is simple!

I've been wondering about how it should have been, if it was wanted

to handle "everything", and be easy to use. I think that it is not only one answer, but two:

1. A wisard to guide you through "straight" setups, like plain RRS.

Maybe predefined "templates" could do it? I've missed templates anyway, so that I could save and reuse them depending on wich series I wanted to make....

2. A tree with all options. Make sure that when selecting in the

tree, it should not be possible to make ambigious selections.

A total different way is to split Sailwave into several smaller

pieces, like:

SW Dinghy scoring
SW OneDesign Scoring
SW Handicap scoring
SW Team Racing

I think splitting woul make the most userfriendly version, but also

the least flexible and hardest to maintain....

Regards

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Colin Jenkins <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:08 +0000

<html><body>

<tt>
Hi,<BR>
<BR>
One of the things that has made Sailwave popular is usability. But

as <BR>

more and more things need to be user pre-defined - new points

systems, <BR>

rating systems, rating values, publishing options, templates, styles

etc <BR>

etc, competitors, starts, usability could get compromised<BR>
<BR>
Currently the approach has been for the user to create ASCII files

by <BR>

hand and point Sailwave at them (or force them to be created in a <BR>
specific folder). This is OK for confident computer users but is it

<BR>

onerous for other users? Would it be better if there was a single <BR>
Tools+Setup item that displayed a tree of all the stuff the user

could <BR>

define and have a dedicated editing window (etc) for each.<BR>
<BR>
I would envisage all this setup data being stored in a single ASCII <BR>
(XML) file so that 'expert' users could still edit it by hand if

required.<BR>

<BR>
Any strong opinions?<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
Colin J<BR>
www.sailwave.com<BR>
<BR>
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