[sailwave]

Martin_Bolgen · 24 April 2006 12:25

Colin:

Does this mean that when you are moving a boat from one fligt to another, you need to change the flight field? And, does this happen only for the actual race you're in?

regards,
Martin Bølgen
97517102/37251906
Grimstad seilforening

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:22:03 +0100

<html><body>

Martin, Anders et al 
 
The latest incarnations of Sailwave try to make "Flight" a field/concept 
that is *only* used for assignments on a per race basis as the series 
progresses. If you are doing Round Robin use any field you like - e.g. 
Fleet as Ralph suggested. You *can* use the Flight field if you wish but 
it's easier to use Fleet or something else because the user interface 
actually tries to get in your way a little bit now(on purpose). i.e. in 
Sailwave speak, if you're doing an App LE Add C type of event then you 
*have* to use the "Flight" field - it's the *only* one that allows per race 
assignments - that's what "Flight" means in Sailwave - a competitor 
attribute that can have a per race assignment. For everything else it's 
easiest to just ignore it. 
 
When using the Flight field in this way, the Flight column in the summary 
shows the current assignment. 
 
CJ 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle 
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:07 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
Hi Martin - what a coward you are ;-)) 
 
For some reason, this latest description now seems very clear!! 
I think the latest versions might eventually be what you are looking for - 1 
file for each regatta & 
1 file for the rankings & re-assignment. Suggest you wait for my Help file. 
 
For this weekend 
Open the Big Events tab in the scoring system and tick both options. 
Ignore the options in the Finals & Medals races tab 
Set up your starts for red v blue, green v white etc 
 
In the past, we have all got confused between flights automatically assigned 
by SW (& displayed in 
the race columns) & the flights column. 
The two are NOT the same!! 
To set up the colours for your competitors, the simplest method is to 
populate the 'fleet' field 
which is then used for setting up race starts. 
 
SW has an automatic seeding option which can be used to populate a field 
with colours. 
This is a little more involved & I have not written the help notes yet. 
 
I seem to remember your regattas being quite large. 
If this is the case, I would certainly prepare my data in Excel (incl 
fleet/flight colour) & then 
import into SW - MUCH MUCH quicker 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 12:08 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
 
Hi, Ralph! 
 
Well, I'm not sure if I dare to tell... I've tried to explain earlier, and 
it made a lot of 
confusions.. 
 
Anyway, This weekend will consist of 6 races in a round robin system: I.e. 
the boats stays in the 
same flights. 
 
So, for this weekend Round robin will do. 
 
But, this weekend is also a part of a total ranking. The ranking consists of 
4 weekend races. Flight 
assignments for the 2.nd weekend race is based on the results from the 1st 
weekend race. Also the 
2nd weekend race is a round robin, BUT we merge them to get a TOTAL. This 
total will be the ranking, 
and it will form the basis for flight assignments for the 3rd weekend race.. 
 
Well, if you think we're crazy in Norway, I'm sure Anders do the same in 
Sweden.. 
 
Anyway, the urgent is a round robin! 
 
 
regards, 
Martin Bølgen 
97517102/37251906 
Grimstad seilforening 
 
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com> 
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:29 +0100 
 

<html><body> 
 
 
Hi Martin 
 
Which flights system are you using? 
Round Robin, where boats stay in same flight throughout the regatta 
AddC where flights are re-assigned each day 
 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:32 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
 
Hi, Ralph e.a... 
 
We have a upcoming flightrace this weekend. There will be no finals. 
 
What is the recomended version at the moment? 
 
Regards, 
Martin Bølgen 
97517102/37251906 
Grimstad seilforening 
 
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com> 
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:41:40 +0100 
 

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 

 

Thanks Colin 
That's one of my "Actions for Colin" 
 
I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets. 
Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher 

group. 

 
The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight 
Assignment tool! 
The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on. 
I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then 

be 

amended manually if required. 
My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window 

with 

a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical 

solution 

 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
Hi Ralph 
 
FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be 

in 

the finals and I have coded the rest of 025. Testing in the next few 

days. 

Will post installation file sometime this week. 
 
 
Regards, 
Colin 
www.sailwave.com 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle 
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
Hi Anders & other flights gurus ;-) 
 
Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& 

writing 

the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025. 
Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time 

to 

test. 
 
Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the 

same 

thing. 
Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy 

time 

starts 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [sailwave] 
 
 
Hi Colin, 
 
 
 
When scoring a series with flights you use "number of boats in 

the 

biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with 

I 

would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race 

+ 

N". 
 
 
 
Possible? 
 
 
 
Med vänlig hälsning/Regards 
________________________________________________ 
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Svensk Juniorsegling 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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ColinJenkins · 24 April 2006 12:46

Hi Martin,

When you see the UI all will be clear. You're not using the right file,
it's sw193sat.exe and it's a full installation file.

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Martin B�lgen
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:25
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Colin:

Does this mean that when you are moving a boat from one fligt to another,
you need to change the flight field? And, does this happen only for the
actual race you're in?

regards,
Martin B�lgen
97517102/37251906
Grimstad seilforening

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:22:03 +0100

<html><body>

Martin, Anders et al 
 
The latest incarnations of Sailwave try to make "Flight" a

field/concept

that is *only* used for assignments on a per race basis as the series 
progresses.� If you are doing Round Robin use any field you like - e.g. 
Fleet as Ralph suggested.� You *can* use the Flight field if you wish

but

it's easier to use Fleet or something else because the user interface 
actually tries to get in your way a little bit now(on purpose).� i.e.

in

Sailwave speak, if you're doing an App LE Add C type of event then you 
*have* to use the "Flight" field - it's the *only* one that allows per

race

assignments - that's what "Flight" means in Sailwave - a competitor 
attribute that can have a per race assignment.� For everything else

it's

easiest to just ignore it. 
 
When using the Flight field in this way, the Flight column in the

summary

shows the current assignment. 
 
CJ 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle 
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:07 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
Hi Martin - what a coward you are ;-)) 
 
For some reason, this latest description now seems very clear!! 
I think the latest versions might eventually be what you are looking for -

1

file for each regatta & 
1 file for the rankings & re-assignment. Suggest you wait for my Help

file.

For this weekend 
Open the Big Events tab in the scoring system and tick both options. 
Ignore the options in the Finals & Medals races tab 
Set up your starts for red v blue, green v white etc 
 
In the past, we have all got confused between flights automatically

assigned

by SW (& displayed in 
the race columns) & the flights column. 
The two are NOT the same!! 
To set up the colours for your competitors, the simplest method is to 
populate the 'fleet' field 
which is then used for setting up race starts. 
 
SW has an automatic seeding option which can be used to populate a

field

with colours. 
This is a little more involved & I have not written the help notes yet. 
 
I seem to remember your regattas being quite large. 
If this is the case, I would certainly prepare my data in Excel (incl 
fleet/flight colour) & then 
import into SW - MUCH MUCH quicker 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin B�lgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 12:08 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
 
Hi, Ralph! 
 
Well, I'm not sure if I dare to tell... I've tried to explain earlier,

and

it made a lot of 
confusions.. 
 
Anyway, This weekend will consist of 6 races in a round robin system:

I.e.

the boats stays in the 
same flights. 
 
So, for this weekend Round robin will do. 
 
But, this weekend is also a part of a total ranking. The ranking consists

of

4 weekend races. Flight 
assignments for the 2.nd weekend race is based on the results from the

1st

weekend race. Also the 
2nd weekend race is a round robin, BUT we merge them to get a TOTAL.

This

total will be the ranking, 
and it will form the basis for flight assignments for the 3rd weekend

race..

Well, if you think we're crazy in Norway, I'm sure Anders do the same

in

Sweden.. 
 
Anyway, the urgent is a round robin! 
 
 
regards, 
Martin B�lgen 
97517102/37251906 
Grimstad seilforening 
 
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com> 
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Date:� Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:29 +0100 
 

<html><body> 
 
 
Hi Martin 
 
Which flights system are you using? 
Round Robin, where boats stay in same flight throughout the

regatta

AddC where flights are re-assigned each day 
 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin B�lgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no] 
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:32 
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
 
Hi, Ralph e.a... 
 
We have a upcoming flightrace this weekend. There will be no

finals.

What is the recomended version at the moment? 
 
Regards, 
Martin B�lgen 
97517102/37251906 
Grimstad seilforening 
 
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: "Ralph Tingle" <rat@attat.com> 
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
Date:� Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:41:40 +0100 
 

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 

 

Thanks Colin 
That's one of my "Actions for Colin" 
 
I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals

fleets.

Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher 

group. 

 
The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the

Flight

Assignment tool! 
The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score

on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can

then

be 

amended manually if required. 
My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors'

window

with 

a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical 

solution 

 
 
Regards 
Ralph 
 
� -----Original Message----- 
� From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com] 
� Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29 
� To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
� Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
� Hi Ralph 
 
� FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must

be

in 

the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.� Testing in the next few 

days. 

Will post installation file sometime this week. 
 
 
� Regards, 
� Colin 
� www.sailwave.com 
 
 
�� -----Original Message----- 
�� From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle 
�� Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24 
�� To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
�� Subject: RE: [sailwave] 
 
 
�� Hi Anders & other flights gurus ;-) 
 
�� Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& 

writing 

the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025. 
�� Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the

time

to 

test. 
 
�� Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the 

same 

thing. 
�� Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy 

time 

starts 
 
�� Regards 
�� Ralph 
 
�� -----Original Message----- 
�� From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se] 
�� Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23 
�� To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com 
�� Subject: [sailwave] 
 
 
�� Hi Colin, 
 
 
 
�� When scoring a series with flights you use "number of boats in 

the 

biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series

with

I 

would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this

race

+ 

N". 
 
 
 
�� Possible? 
 
 
 
�� Med v�nlig h�lsning/Regards 
�� ________________________________________________ 
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