Scoring a Q/F series in Finals Flight groups

I am configuring sailwave to score a Qualifying and Final Series in a single file, ILCA-style. I am aware that this is an exception to the norm but, like ILCAs, we are counting all races (Q and F) with a single discard profile.

I want to publish the results in a format similar to this:

In particular, I like the fact that both of the Final Series flights are in one file and that the Silver flight places (ranks) begin one place after the last boat in the Gold flight (49th in this ILCA example).

How is this achieved, please?

I have found the grouping options under Score series (screenshot below). This gets me close to what I want, but the Silver flight is ranked starting from 1.

Also, as a slightly separate point, I can’t see any difference in the output, whichever of the two grouping options I use:

Option 1:

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Option 2:

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I have read the text on these options but I can’t figure it out. Please could someone provide an example of when the output would be different and why?!

Hi Neil,

Some answers.

In particular, I like the fact that both of the Final Series flights are in one file and that the Silver flight places (ranks) begin one place after the last boat in the Gold flight (49th in this ILCA example).

How is this achieved, please?

It is done manually using the Tools | Seed competitor field.

Using Option 1 when scoring series does exactly what it says :wink: scores all the competitors together, i.e. DNC etc score points equal to the the number of competitors in the series + 1 by default. For example if there 100 competitors competing in the event then DNC etc score 101 points.

Using Option 2 scores competitors based on the Fleet they are in, i.e. DNC etc score points equal to the number of competitors in that Fleet + 1 by default.For example if there in the F-series 40 competitors in Gold Fleet and 60 in Silver Fleet then Gold DNC etc is 41 points and Silver Fleet DNC etc is 61 points by default.

When scoring an event with a Q-series & F-series it is scoring Option 1 used for Q-series and scoring Option 2 when F-series starts. Remember to have checked box on App LE Addendum C tab of Scoring system once F-series is started to be scored, to stop Q-series being changed.

Kind regards,
Huw

Perfect, thanks Huw.

The seeding trick works nicely (needs to be done after every rescore apparently).

I also now understand the two grouping options. The reason I wasn’t seeing any difference with my test file is that I am already overriding DNF (and all the codes that inherit from that) with the “Points for place of (the competitor’s start size + N places)”…

Hi Neil,

Yes and apologies for leaving that bit out!

Kind regards,
Huw

Thanks Huw. Regarding Options 1 & 2 for grouping… my SIs also allow for the possibility that the two Final Series fleets can complete a different number of Final races. I presume that would work OK with Option 2, e.g. if the Gold Fleet sail an extra race it won’t show up as a load of DNCs in the Silver Fleet scores? Also, in that scenario, the discard profile could then be different between the two fleets, e.g. if the extra race triggers an extra discard. Will that work OK?

Neil

Hi Neil,

Yes Option 2 is one to use for F-series, especially if Gold & Silver fleets may end up sailing different number of races. So there will not be load of DNC is Silver and also if Gold extra race (s) over Silver that will not trigger extra discard for Silver if it does so for Gold.

Kind regards,
Huw