We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD duties in
any series.
What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to be awarded?
Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or average of races
sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big difference to the
final score.
I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking advantage of the
wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
Thanks for any input,
regards, Andy
Hi Andy,
If your club is anything like ours, boats do not really *want* to do OOD, so
we'd pick the one that gave them the best points; without DNC. NB: Sailwave
can do both. What we actually do is give then a fixed 1.5 points.
Regards,
Colin
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From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
Sent: 26 April 2002 01:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD duties in
any series.
What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to be awarded?
Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or average of races
sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big difference to the
final score.
I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking advantage of the
wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
Thanks for any input,
regards, Andy
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Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
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Hi Doug,
Sorry, not with you! can you expand a bit?
Regards,
Colin
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Sent: 26 April 2002 08:09
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Subject: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
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Sure Colin, sorry late night here on the west coast of the States, I
realize I was a bit vague;
I have imported all our competitors, boat types, skippers, phrf ratings
etc, from a script page creating HTML into an excel file, then saved
this as a .csv, then imported into sailwave.
When I then go into Sailwave and edit competitor, selecting a new Fleet
it does one of two things; 1) assumes a different boat class and auto
fills this on the current competitor overwriting the imported data,
(Always a boat class of a competitor already in that fleet) or 2) leaves
the class filed blank, again overwriting the imported data. This adds
up to a great deal of extra work retyping the boat type in the class
column. It also auto competes the Rating, which in a few cases is
different despite being the same class boat (ie head different sails,
kites, etc.) Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
···
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Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:27 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Sorry, not with you! can you expand a bit?
Regards,
Colin
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Subject: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
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Hi Doug,
Early morning here, and raining...
Sounds like a bug, I'll look at it tonight (GMT). Apologies for the
inconvenience. In the meantime can you email the CSV file that you imported
to colin@sailwave.com just in case it's a contextual thing.
Regards,
Colin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Sure Colin, sorry late night here on the west coast of the States, I
realize I was a bit vague;
I have imported all our competitors, boat types, skippers, phrf ratings
etc, from a script page creating HTML into an excel file, then saved
this as a .csv, then imported into sailwave.
When I then go into Sailwave and edit competitor, selecting a new Fleet
it does one of two things; 1) assumes a different boat class and auto
fills this on the current competitor overwriting the imported data,
(Always a boat class of a competitor already in that fleet) or 2) leaves
the class filed blank, again overwriting the imported data. This adds
up to a great deal of extra work retyping the boat type in the class
column. It also auto competes the Rating, which in a few cases is
different despite being the same class boat (ie head different sails,
kites, etc.) Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
__________________________________________________
Douglas C. Gordon
Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:27 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Sorry, not with you! can you expand a bit?
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:09
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
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Colin:
Here is one of the excel files (despite the change to allow fleet
specific race lengths, to get an overall course (ie long vs short
course) winner I need to use two .blw files, otherwise it doesn't make
a lot of sense to score overall, apples and oranges...)
I do not believe it is contextual, as I saw this same error in all the
earlier versions of sailwave, it has just been a pain in the....
Thanks for looking into it, follow these steps to replicate:
1) Import the excel .csv file into a .blw.
2) Define 2-3 Fleets, more than one
3) Change the first boat to Fleet 1
4) attempt to change second and third boat to same fleet, class will
auto complete (I think it isn't until you do this on the third or fourth
boat in the fleet.)
Let me know if you can replicate, if you are operating on Windows XP, we
can application share if you cannot. Although, I hope to be done and to
bed fairly soon. Colin thanks again, I cannot reiterate enough praise
for sailwave, it is great software.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
···
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Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:55 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Early morning here, and raining...
Sounds like a bug, I'll look at it tonight (GMT). Apologies for the
inconvenience. In the meantime can you email the CSV file that you
imported
to colin@sailwave.com just in case it's a contextual thing.
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Sure Colin, sorry late night here on the west coast of the States, I
realize I was a bit vague;
I have imported all our competitors, boat types, skippers, phrf ratings
etc, from a script page creating HTML into an excel file, then saved
this as a .csv, then imported into sailwave.
When I then go into Sailwave and edit competitor, selecting a new Fleet
it does one of two things; 1) assumes a different boat class and auto
fills this on the current competitor overwriting the imported data,
(Always a boat class of a competitor already in that fleet) or 2) leaves
the class filed blank, again overwriting the imported data. This adds
up to a great deal of extra work retyping the boat type in the class
column. It also auto competes the Rating, which in a few cases is
different despite being the same class boat (ie head different sails,
kites, etc.) Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
__________________________________________________
Douglas C. Gordon
Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:27 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Sorry, not with you! can you expand a bit?
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:09
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
__________________________________________________
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Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
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We do average of the races sailed since in my opinion they have turned
up on the day and therefore could have sailed and an average of the races
they sailed reflects their possible result more acurately.
John
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From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
Sent: 26 April 2002 01:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring - Average pointsWe allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD
duties in
any series.
What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to
be awarded?
Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or
average of races
sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big
difference to the
final score.
I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking
advantage of the
wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
Thanks for any input,
regards, Andyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave
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Hi Doug,
Thanks for the CSV file; I imported it here and can confirm the problem.
Regards,
Colin
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From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 09:05
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin:
Here is one of the excel files (despite the change to allow fleet
specific race lengths, to get an overall course (ie long vs short
course) winner I need to use two .blw files, otherwise it doesn't make
a lot of sense to score overall, apples and oranges...)
I do not believe it is contextual, as I saw this same error in all the
earlier versions of sailwave, it has just been a pain in the....
Thanks for looking into it, follow these steps to replicate:
1) Import the excel .csv file into a .blw.
2) Define 2-3 Fleets, more than one
3) Change the first boat to Fleet 1
4) attempt to change second and third boat to same fleet, class will
auto complete (I think it isn't until you do this on the third or fourth
boat in the fleet.)
Let me know if you can replicate, if you are operating on Windows XP, we
can application share if you cannot. Although, I hope to be done and to
bed fairly soon. Colin thanks again, I cannot reiterate enough praise
for sailwave, it is great software.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
__________________________________________________
Douglas C. Gordon
Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:55 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Early morning here, and raining...
Sounds like a bug, I'll look at it tonight (GMT). Apologies for the
inconvenience. In the meantime can you email the CSV file that you
imported
to colin@sailwave.com just in case it's a contextual thing.
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Sure Colin, sorry late night here on the west coast of the States, I
realize I was a bit vague;
I have imported all our competitors, boat types, skippers, phrf ratings
etc, from a script page creating HTML into an excel file, then saved
this as a .csv, then imported into sailwave.
When I then go into Sailwave and edit competitor, selecting a new Fleet
it does one of two things; 1) assumes a different boat class and auto
fills this on the current competitor overwriting the imported data,
(Always a boat class of a competitor already in that fleet) or 2) leaves
the class filed blank, again overwriting the imported data. This adds
up to a great deal of extra work retyping the boat type in the class
column. It also auto competes the Rating, which in a few cases is
different despite being the same class boat (ie head different sails,
kites, etc.) Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug
__________________________________________________
Douglas C. Gordon
Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
1807 E Hamlin Street, Seattle, WA 98112
Direct 206.328.7009
Fax 206.324.8784
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin.jenkins@match-it.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:27 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Hi Doug,
Sorry, not with you! can you expand a bit?
Regards,
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Gordon [mailto:dgordon@seattleyachtclub.org]
Sent: 26 April 2002 08:09
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Auto complete class field
Colin, et. al:
Is there any way to turn off the auto completion of the class field
following a complete importation, when changing the Fleet column?
Thanks in advance.
Warmest regards,
-Doug Gordon
__________________________________________________
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Director of Sailing
Seattle Yacht Club (Est. 1892)
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We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD
duties in
any series.
What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to be
awarded?
Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or average
of races
sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big
difference to the
final score.
I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking
advantage of the
wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
We use Average points excluding discards here at Carrickfergus.
There haven't been any complaints about the scoring since we did
that, which probably means it's working since I've heard people
whining about lesser things.
Steve Atkinson
www.carrickfergussc.org
My view is that as the person has turned up and would have sailed then you
should exclude DNC, DNS etc, but should include RTD. However averaging over
the whole series means that the points aren't calculated correctly till the
series is over, and people going into the last race aren't exactly sure of
their overall standing. Our preference was to limit the number of races to
average over (we chose 3), and these were the previous 3 races that the
competitor competed in. Early in the season, we chose the first three races
the competitor competed in, so it changed dynamically for a bit. If the
competitor didn't compete in three races we used DNC for the missed races.
It is still open to be manipulated. Before we introduced the inclusion of
RTD, I saw competitors retire rather spoil their average for an upcoming
duty. Three race average could be a bit small for a long series but I never
saw anyone complain about that.
Best regards - John.
John Rischmiller, mailto:john@virtual-it.org.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
Sent: 26 April 2002 01:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD duties in
any series.
What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to be awarded?
Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or average of races
sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big difference to the
final score.
I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking advantage of the
wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
Thanks for any input,
regards, Andy
We award average points which exclude DNCs but include all other results -
average points are not allowed for the last race of the series. This seems
to work well except when an unfortunate competitor has more than one duty in
a series.
Rob Harrison
Bexhill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. Harvey" <jpharvey@ptc.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
We do average of the races sailed since in my opinion they have turned
up on the day and therefore could have sailed and an average of the races
they sailed reflects their possible result more acurately.John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMAirnes@aol.com [mailto:AMAirnes@aol.com]
> Sent: 26 April 2002 01:11
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sailwave] Scoring - Average points
>
>
> We allocate average points to sailors who carry out rescue or OD
> duties in
> any series.
> What are peoples' views on how we should calculate the points to
> be awarded?
> Average of all scores in the series (including any DNC ) or
> average of races
> sailed by the competitor in the series - it can make a big
> difference to the
> final score.
> I know this is not a Sailwave specific query but am taking
> advantage of the
> wealth of experience in the user community - hope you don't mind !
> Thanks for any input,
> regards, Andy
>
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my Club gives the Duty (both OOD and Rescue) 1 point, but they may not do
more than one duty per series, unless due to someone failing to show up,
there is no racing unless they do a second duty. We found it the only way to
get entrants to take their turn.
Regards
John