Scoring By Helm

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If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

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You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

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Yes, certainly.
Just use Edit Race and the Rating tab to set the correct Race Rating
as appropriate.

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regards,
Malcolm Osborne

   On 2018-03-30 23:43,

[sailwave] wrote:

            If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail

multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the
results for a help to one entry.

            e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6

and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to
merge these entries to a single Laser for
the complete series?


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Malcolm,

Do you mean Edit Competitor?

Edit Race does not have a Rating tab:

Not sure what you mean by Race Rating. The Rating we use are the PY ratings these are set for the boat.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 23:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

Yes, certainly.
Just use Edit Race and the Rating tab to set the correct Race Rating as appropriate.

regards,

Malcolm Osborne

On 2018-03-30 23:43, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

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Jon,

So if I change the PY rating before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on the new PY number?

This may be a solution, but would make the job of the person doing the results more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result in the series.

I will have to think about this a little more…

Mark.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 22:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

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03333 443377

07530 112233

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Hi Mark,

Sort of. You change the rating for the race NOT the
default rating in the rating column.

Kind regards,

Huw

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On 31/03/2018 19:42, ‘Mark Warren’
[sailwave] wrote:

junkemail@talktalk.net

Jon,

              So if I change the PY rating

before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race
and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on
the new PY number?

              This may be a solution, but

would make the job of the person doing the results
more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I
was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser
sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing
enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result
in the series.

              I will have to think about this

a little more…

Mark.

From:

                   30 March 2018 22:58

Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

                      You can change the rating

on a race by race basis so you could have just
the one entry to start with.

                      You have to remember

changing the number of competitors in a series
will normally change the points for codes e.g.
DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

                        On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at

22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net
[sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com >
wrote:

                                If we, as

a club, wanted to allow a helm to
sail multiple boats in a series, Is
it possible to merge the results for
a help to one entry.

                                e.g. If

John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3
and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4
and R5, is it possible to merge
these entries to a single Laser
for the complete series?

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Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233


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So what option/menu do I use to get the option for the rating for the race? The only rating I have seen is the default one for the competitor.

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 31 March 2018 19:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

Hi Mark,

Sort of. You change the rating for the race NOT the default rating in the rating column.

Kind regards,

Huw

On 31/03/2018 19:42, ‘Mark Warren’ junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] wrote:

Jon,

So if I change the PY rating before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on the new PY number?

This may be a solution, but would make the job of the person doing the results more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result in the series.

I will have to think about this a little more…

Mark.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 22:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

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Jon Eskdale

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07530 112233

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Double click on the race result, choose the Rating tab, and enter the appropriate rating for that (and subsequent) race

Hope this helps

William Carruthers

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On 31 Mar 2018, at 20:47, ‘Mark Warren’ junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

So what option/menu do I use to get the option for the rating for the race? The only rating I have seen is the default one for the competitor.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 31 March 2018 19:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

Hi Mark,

Sort of. You change the rating for the race NOT the default rating in the rating column.

Kind regards,

Huw

On 31/03/2018 19:42, ‘Mark Warren’ junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] wrote:

Jon,

So if I change the PY rating before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on the new PY number?

This may be a solution, but would make the job of the person doing the results more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result in the series.

I will have to think about this a little more…

Mark.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 22:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

–

Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233

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Mark,

I have a similar situation. Some of our skippers sail different boats for our yardstick series.

I have two sailwave files, one has the yardsticks and calculates the places using our yardstick rating, depending on the boat the skipper is sailing.

The other file has the skippers and I score by using place, which is derived from the first file.

This does mean double entering, but I can’t see any other way around it.

Rob

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M: 0428 246 903

P: 02 6495 7414

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2018 04:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

Jon,

So if I change the PY rating before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on the new PY number?

This may be a solution, but would make the job of the person doing the results more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result in the series.

I will have to think about this a little more…

Mark.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 22:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

–

Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233

10

Mark,

I have a similar situation. Some of our skippers sail different boats for our yardstick series.

I have two sailwave files, one has the yardsticks and calculates the places using our yardstick rating, depending on the boat the skipper is sailing.

The other file has the skippers and I score by using place, which is derived from the first file.

This does mean double entering, but I can’t see any other way around it.

Rob

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Rob Morton

WLBC Event Co-ordinator

E: robmorton@ozemail.com.au

M: 0428 246 903

P: 02 6495 7414

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2018 04:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

Jon,

So if I change the PY rating before scoring a new race, it ONLY scores the new race and does not re-calculate the earlier races based on the new PY number?

This may be a solution, but would make the job of the person doing the results more difficult… Maybe it is not worth the trouble. I was only asking as we do have a number of Aero/Laser sailors who switch sails, but do not end up sailing enough, with either rig, to get a competitive result in the series.

I will have to think about this a little more…

Mark.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 30 March 2018 22:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Scoring By Helm

You can change the rating on a race by race basis so you could have just the one entry to start with.

You have to remember changing the number of competitors in a series will normally change the points for codes e.g. DNC DSQ OCS etc.

Jon

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 22:50, junkemail@talktalk.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If we, as a club, wanted to allow a helm to sail multiple boats in a series, Is it possible to merge the results for a help to one entry.

e.g. If John Smith sailed Laser 1 in R1, R3 and R6 and a Laser Radial in R2, R4 and R5, is it possible to merge these entries to a single Laser for the complete series?

–

Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233

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What I have come to do is to enter the results against the actual class, and then combine them later.

The chap who has been doing our results most recently seems to have introduced an interesting idea, which is a scoring code of MRG which is set points by hand. I must talk to him about exactly what he’s doing, but it seems to be he’s scoring the race normally with each class a competitor sails entered separately. Then he puts a MRG x result against the main boat for the competitor, and sets the points by hand to be equal. The downside is that the competitor in question appears twice, but at a guess that can be dealt with by excluding the additional one.

What I would like to know is how race ratings are dealt with when results are exported to PYonline. Can you help?

Jim C

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I have just tested this. PY Online does import results that have race ratings, and therefore the results are against the original class and are nonsensical. This probably explains some of the very strange anomalies that can be seen in summary results, and I think it must be an increasing problem.

What would it take to add “Race class” alongside “Race Rating”? It would, I think, make things much easier for race teams struggling with multiple boats aainst the same competitor, which does seem increasingly common, and it would also make for a deal less bad data feeding into the Portsmouth Yarstick calculations.

Jim C

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Yes, but the underlying principle of boat racing is just that, you’re racing boats. If you want to allow crews to choose their boat for the conditions, then that’s something else.
Mike

Lancing SC

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On 2 Apr 2018 11:49 a.m., “yho@devboats.co.uk [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I have just tested this. PY Online does import results that have race ratings, and therefore the results are against the original class and are nonsensical. This probably explains some of the very strange anomalies that can be seen in summary results, and I think it must be an increasing problem.

What would it take to add “Race class” alongside “Race Rating”? It would, I think, make things much easier for race teams struggling with multiple boats aainst the same competitor, which does seem increasingly common, and it would also make for a deal less bad data feeding into the Portsmouth Yarstick calculations.

Jim C

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—In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, <mike.croker@…> wrote :

Yes, but the underlying principle of boat racing is just that, you’re racing boats.

Isn’t our role as administrators of the sport to facilitate the competition for the competitors rather dictate to them?

Jim C

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If that’s the wish of the majority of competitors, then yes. One concern, previously voiced at Lancing SC, is the risk of encouraging ‘chequebook’ sailing were we to pursue such series scoring.
Mike
Lancing SC

—In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, <yho@…> wrote :

Isn’t our role as administrators of the sport to facilitate the competition for the competitors rather dictate to them?

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I am not sure that it can be really considered “Cheque book Sailing” when club members have a couple of rigs for a Laser or Aero. We are struggling to get a meaningful number of club members competing in N/2 + 1 races in a series, combining the above type of club member’s results is one way to help encourage more people to race.

I therefore see it as a positive.

Mark.

P.S. I didn’t mean to stir up such a hornet’s nest when I asked the question… Sorry

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 03 April 2018 15:31
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Scoring By Helm

If that’s the wish of the majority of competitors, then yes. One concern, previously voiced at Lancing SC, is the risk of encouraging ‘chequebook’ sailing were we to pursue such series scoring.
Mike
Lancing SC

—In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, <yho@…> wrote :

Isn’t our role as administrators of the sport to facilitate the competition for the competitors rather dictate to them?

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You can just enter them with a default boat and change the handicap for each race to the right one. The boat doesn’t really matter at all since it just gives the default handicap. Right click on the appropriate race result cell, edit result and change the race rating on the rating tab. You can also choose to make that handicap apply to that entry for the next races until you change it again.

For Classic and Vintage racing (http://www.cvrda.org) the results are by boat, even if the helms change, but they can change rigs and this affects the handicap - cotton sails and wooden masts get an advantage so I often have to change the individual ratings for a race or two, especially if an event turns windy and the old delicate rigs get swapped for alloy and dacron.