Scoring/Throw out question

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Hello, all:

In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and Sailwave scored them as DNC.
When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their scores were just blank (as I believe
should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the first race.) The DNCs given in the
1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it skewed the points scored.

Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?

Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet that did not sail? Or, is there a
better way to fix this?

In case it matters, I'm using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later versions, but that is for
another post.)

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott

2

It all depends on how you define a fleet.
If you had anyone else scored in the same fleet (or part thereof) then the
other competitors will get a DNC. Also, check your scoring options. If you are
applying the scoring based on fleet, it should separate. Try that.

Bill
Visser

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From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scottm53
Sent: June 21, 2008 2:21 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring/Throw
out question

Hello, all:

In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and Sailwave
scored them as DNC.

When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their scores were just
blank (as I believe

should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the first race.) The
DNCs given in the

1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it skewed the
points scored.

Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?

Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet that did not
sail? Or, is there a

better way to fix this?

In case it matters, I’m using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later versions, but
that is for

another post.)

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott

3

Bill, thanks for the response... this is a Hobie regatta and I'm defining each different boat
class as its own fleet. In this case, Fleet 1 is all the Hobie Tigers and Fleet 2 is all the Hobie
16As.

Maybe trying to restate the issue will help...

In the 1st race, NO Tigers sailed and yet the software gave them all DNCs. In the LAST
race, no 16s sailed and yet the software left the 16 scores blank (correctly, I believe). I'm
concerned about why the Tigers were given DNCs in the 1st race when NONE of them
sailed.

There were several boats in other races who did not sail and SW properly gave them DNCs
while the other boats in the same fleet were given places. It's just the 1st race Tiger DNCs
that seems wrong to me.

I just went into SW and manually removed the DNCs from the Tigers in the 1st race and
that seems to make the points right... but maybe there's something in my setup (or a later
version of SW) which I could tweak to correct this?

Thanks,

Scott

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Visser" <bvisser1@...> wrote:

It all depends on how you define a fleet. If you had anyone else scored in
the same fleet (or part thereof) then the other competitors will get a DNC.
Also, check your scoring options. If you are applying the scoring based on
fleet, it should separate. Try that.

Bill Visser

  _____

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of scottm53
Sent: June 21, 2008 2:21 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring/Throw out question

Hello, all:

In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and Sailwave
scored them as DNC.
When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their scores were just
blank (as I believe
should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the first race.)
The DNCs given in the
1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it skewed the
points scored.

Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?

Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet that did not
sail? Or, is there a
better way to fix this?

In case it matters, I'm using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later versions,
but that is for
another post.)

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott

4

Scott,

I suspect that you accidentally made an entry against a Hobbie Tiger. I have had similar results when I accidentally make an entry against any boat in a fleet that I do not want to score. Sailwave then very kindly makes all the other boats in the fleet DNC.

You then as you observe have to go back and remove all the DNC’s manually.

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: scott_myers@mac.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:34:51 +0000
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Scoring/Throw out question

Bill, thanks for the response… this is a Hobie regatta and I’m defining each different boat
class as its own fleet. In this case, Fleet 1 is all the Hobie Tigers and Fleet 2 is all the Hobie
16As.

Maybe trying to restate the issue will help…

In the 1st race, NO Tigers sailed and yet the software gave them all DNCs. In the LAST
race, no 16s sailed and yet the software left the 16 scores blank (correctly, I believe). I’m
concerned about why the Tigers were given DNCs in the 1st race when NONE of them
sailed.

There were several boats in other races who did not sail and SW properly gave them DNCs
while the other boats in the same fleet were given places. It’s just the 1st race Tiger DNCs
that seems wrong to me.

I just went into SW and manually removed the DNCs from the Tigers in the 1st race and
that seems to make the points right… but maybe there’s something in my setup (or a later
version of SW) which I could tweak to correct this?

Thanks,

Scott

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Bill Visser” <bvisser1@…> wrote:

It all depends on how you define a fleet. If you had anyone else scored in
the same fleet (or part thereof) then the other competitors will get a DNC.
Also, check your scoring options. If you are applying the scoring based on
fleet, it should separate. Try that.

Bill Visser

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of scottm53
Sent: June 21, 2008 2:21 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Scoring/Throw out question

Hello, all:

In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and Sailwave
scored them as DNC.
When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their scores were just
blank (as I believe
should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the first race.)
The DNCs given in the
1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it skewed the
points scored.

Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?

Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet that did not
sail? Or, is there a
better way to fix this?

In case it matters, I’m using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later versions,
but that is for
another post.)

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott

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5

Hi.

Just an add-on resolve for the problem...

If you used "Sail no. Wizard", which I assumed, you type the
finishers in the 16s fleet (race 1)

The next race sailed is 16(2) and Tigers(1), but...
if "Sail No Wizard" is set to type the results in race 2, all results
are put in race 2 for both classes!
Sailwave therefore assumed that both 16s and Tigers had a race 1, and
therefore gives all Tigers a DNC, because they didn't had a
previously result...

That is to keep in mind when you deside to have them in one or two
files...
Do all classes have the same race no at the same time or not? If not,
it's practical to split in two files, or you have to change race no.
in Sail No Wizard all the time....

Hope that could help a little.

Steen Hansen
Denmark

Bill, thanks for the response... this is a Hobie regatta and I'm

defining each different boat

class as its own fleet. In this case, Fleet 1 is all the Hobie

Tigers and Fleet 2 is all the Hobie

16As.

Maybe trying to restate the issue will help...

In the 1st race, NO Tigers sailed and yet the software gave them

all DNCs. In the LAST

race, no 16s sailed and yet the software left the 16 scores blank

(correctly, I believe). I'm

concerned about why the Tigers were given DNCs in the 1st race when

NONE of them

sailed.

There were several boats in other races who did not sail and SW

properly gave them DNCs

while the other boats in the same fleet were given places. It's

just the 1st race Tiger DNCs

that seems wrong to me.

I just went into SW and manually removed the DNCs from the Tigers

in the 1st race and

that seems to make the points right... but maybe there's something

in my setup (or a later

version of SW) which I could tweak to correct this?

Thanks,

Scott

>
> It all depends on how you define a fleet. If you had anyone else

scored in

> the same fleet (or part thereof) then the other competitors will

get a DNC.

> Also, check your scoring options. If you are applying the scoring

based on

> fleet, it should separate. Try that.
>
>
>
> Bill Visser
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf

> Of scottm53
> Sent: June 21, 2008 2:21 AM
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sailwave] Scoring/Throw out question
>
>
>
> Hello, all:
>
> In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and

Sailwave

> scored them as DNC.
> When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their

scores were just

> blank (as I believe
> should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the

first race.)

> The DNCs given in the
> 1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it

skewed the

> points scored.
>
> Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?
>
> Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet

that did not

> sail? Or, is there a
> better way to fix this?
>
> In case it matters, I'm using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later

versions,

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "scottm53" <scott_myers@...> wrote:

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Visser" <bvisser1@> wrote:
> but that is for
> another post.)
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Scott
>

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Mark, I always use the Scoring Wizard, so I'm pretty sure I did not accidentally enter a
score for a Tiger... but I agree that doing so would easily explain the DNCs.

Steen, I've read thru your response several times and hope that I understand you
correctly... if I have misunderstood something, please clarify for me.

if "Sail No Wizard" is set to type the results in race 2, all results
are put in race 2 for both classes!

Yes, race TWO was scored correctly for both fleets ... it is race ONE that seems wrong by
showing Tiger results where there were none. The 16 results in race 1 were fine also.

Sailwave therefore assumed that both 16s and Tigers had a race 1, and
therefore gives all Tigers a DNC, because they didn't had a
previously result...

SW did NOT, however, make the same assumption in the last race where the Tigers were
the ONLY fleet to race and all other fleets were NOT given DNCs.

Why would SW act differently in Race 1 than in the last race?

That is to keep in mind when you deside to have them in one or two
files...

You mean a separate blw file created for a certain race? Or for a certain fleet? I don't
understand how then, to get a combined score for the regatta results. Maybe this is the
subject of a new thread for me.

Do all classes have the same race no at the same time or not? If not,
it's practical to split in two files, or you have to change race no.
in Sail No Wizard all the time....

Each class of boat has a separate start in each race. Usually, we finish all classes in one
race before beginning the next race as they are set off in rolling 5 minute intervals.

Hope that could help a little.

I hope so, too!

Scott

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "steengrhansen" <sgrhansen@...> wrote:

Steen Hansen
Denmark

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "scottm53" <scott_myers@> wrote:
>
> Bill, thanks for the response... this is a Hobie regatta and I'm
defining each different boat
> class as its own fleet. In this case, Fleet 1 is all the Hobie
Tigers and Fleet 2 is all the Hobie
> 16As.
>
> Maybe trying to restate the issue will help...
>
> In the 1st race, NO Tigers sailed and yet the software gave them
all DNCs. In the LAST
> race, no 16s sailed and yet the software left the 16 scores blank
(correctly, I believe). I'm
> concerned about why the Tigers were given DNCs in the 1st race when
NONE of them
> sailed.
>
> There were several boats in other races who did not sail and SW
properly gave them DNCs
> while the other boats in the same fleet were given places. It's
just the 1st race Tiger DNCs
> that seems wrong to me.
>
> I just went into SW and manually removed the DNCs from the Tigers
in the 1st race and
> that seems to make the points right... but maybe there's something
in my setup (or a later
> version of SW) which I could tweak to correct this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Visser" <bvisser1@> wrote:
> >
> > It all depends on how you define a fleet. If you had anyone else
scored in
> > the same fleet (or part thereof) then the other competitors will
get a DNC.
> > Also, check your scoring options. If you are applying the scoring
based on
> > fleet, it should separate. Try that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Visser
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> > Of scottm53
> > Sent: June 21, 2008 2:21 AM
> > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [sailwave] Scoring/Throw out question
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, all:
> >
> > In the first race of a regatta, one fleet did not sail at all and
Sailwave
> > scored them as DNC.
> > When, in the last race, an entire fleet did not sail, their
scores were just
> > blank (as I believe
> > should have been the case for the fleet that did not race the
first race.)
> > The DNCs given in the
> > 1st race also ended up being the throw outs for that fleet, so it
skewed the
> > points scored.
> >
> > Any idea why that happened? Is that enough info?
> >
> > Can I have the software just ignore the 1st race for the fleet
that did not
> > sail? Or, is there a
> > better way to fix this?
> >
> > In case it matters, I'm using v1.57. (Yes, I know there are later
versions,
> > but that is for
> > another post.)
> >
> > Thanks for any assistance.
> >
> > Scott
> >
>