Hi I have been using sailwave for scoring races completed in one day however now run series done over a few months where I schedule 12 races each racing day and one racing day every 2 weeks.
What I'm looking to do is score each racing day individually and have the overall series updated too as we add days.
Is that possible with sailwave ? if so how ?
thank you for your help
Gilbert
Your post might mean one of two things:
A. You want a series of races equal to #each day X #days. [12 races a day times 20 days would be 240 races.]
B. You want to score a series of scores equal to #days. Each boats score for a day will be the final position of the boat in that day's racing. [20 race days would mean 20 "race" scores with each Sailwave "race" being the result from one day of racing.]
[You don't mention the type of scores you want to assign - rulebook default Low Point or some kind of high-point system. That will have an impact on your options.]
For A, Sailwave should handle this by default. I don't know if there is a maximum number of races. The only possible issue will be scoring of non-sailing boats and you can solve that with a custom scoring code (although you might need to do a custom scoring code for each race day as the score of a non-sailing boat usually varies based on the number of boats that come out that day).
For B, you would handle that by having a separate Sailwave file for each day of racing. You would have a another file for the series and input each boat's score from a race day into the separate series file. For DNF, DSQ, etc and non-sailing boats, scores would depend on how your NOR and SIs define them.
Sailwave has built-in export and import [merge] functions. However, you cannot import scores (meaning points) only finishing positions. You could export the "series" rank at the end of a day of racing, edit the file to define that as a "race" finish position and then import. However, because of built-in tie-breaking for races this probably won't work as you want (for 7 boats, two of which did not finish, you probably want 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6; Sailwave will take those imported "finishing" positions and assign points of 1 ... 5, 6.5, 6.5; it will treat the DNFs as tied for sixth and seventh rather than an absolute 6 points).
It might go without saying, but if you use a high-point type scoring (which many long series do as it has the potential for better fairness) then you certainly cannot use Sailwave to score the series as the points for various finishing positions will change from race to race. I don't think Sailwave could handle that under any circumstances.
You are probably better off scoring each race day in Sailwave as a stand-alone regatta and then using Excel or some other scoring program to do the series scoring.
Over the years I believe other Sailwave users have recommended Sail100 as being able to handle the kind of scoring I think you want. I haven't checked that out personally so it may not be true.
Art
On 1/27/2013 4:46 PM, glouisfr wrote:
Hi I have been using sailwave for scoring races completed in one day however now run series done over a few months where I schedule 12 races each racing day and one racing day every 2 weeks.
What I'm looking to do is score each racing day individually and have the overall series updated too as we add days.
Is that possible with sailwave ? if so how ?
thank you for your help
Gilbert
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DUH!! I just re-read what I posted and this isn't right. Of course, Sailwave can handle custom high-point scoring. In other words, it can automatically vary the points for boats based on who sailed in THAT particular race. In the case at issue, this would be who sailed on that race day. I was thinking of something else when I first wrote this and forgot to delete it before pressing SEND!
Art
...
It might go without saying, but if you use a high-point type scoring
(which many long series do as it has the potential for better fairness)
then you certainly cannot use Sailwave to score the series as the points
for various finishing positions will change from race to race. I don't
think Sailwave could handle that under any circumstances.
...
On 1/27/2013 8:46 PM, Art Engel wrote:
Thanks for your response. I'm surprised there is not an integrated solution for this kind of racing because it quite common here in Ireland and I believe in the UK too.
Basically I'm running 4 days miniseries. One Sunday every 2 weeks and each race day I'm scheduling 12 races but like yesterday it depends on the weather and for example we had 30-39 knots of wind yesterday and we only completed 11 of the 12 scheduled. And we may have one skipper dropping or join the series.
We're a small fleet so to reward a win I run on a low point system but where 1st = 0.75pt
So in essence I need to do 2 scoring after each racing day. One for the day result and one for the overall series ?
thx,
Gilbert
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel wrote:
Your post might mean one of two things:
A. You want a series of races equal to #each day X #days. [12 races a
day times 20 days would be 240 races.]B. You want to score a series of scores equal to #days. Each boats score
for a day will be the final position of the boat in that day's racing.
[20 race days would mean 20 "race" scores with each Sailwave "race"
being the result from one day of racing.][You don't mention the type of scores you want to assign - rulebook
default Low Point or some kind of high-point system. That will have an
impact on your options.]For A, Sailwave should handle this by default. I don't know if there is
a maximum number of races. The only possible issue will be scoring of
non-sailing boats and you can solve that with a custom scoring code
(although you might need to do a custom scoring code for each race day
as the score of a non-sailing boat usually varies based on the number of
boats that come out that day).For B, you would handle that by having a separate Sailwave file for each
day of racing. You would have a another file for the series and input
each boat's score from a race day into the separate series file. For
DNF, DSQ, etc and non-sailing boats, scores would depend on how your NOR
and SIs define them.Sailwave has built-in export and import [merge] functions. However, you
cannot import scores (meaning points) only finishing positions. You
could export the "series" rank at the end of a day of racing, edit the
file to define that as a "race" finish position and then import.
However, because of built-in tie-breaking for races this probably won't
work as you want (for 7 boats, two of which did not finish, you probably
want 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6; Sailwave will take those imported "finishing"
positions and assign points of 1 ... 5, 6.5, 6.5; it will treat the DNFs
as tied for sixth and seventh rather than an absolute 6 points).It might go without saying, but if you use a high-point type scoring
(which many long series do as it has the potential for better fairness)
then you certainly cannot use Sailwave to score the series as the points
for various finishing positions will change from race to race. I don't
think Sailwave could handle that under any circumstances.You are probably better off scoring each race day in Sailwave as a
stand-alone regatta and then using Excel or some other scoring program
to do the series scoring.Over the years I believe other Sailwave users have recommended Sail100
as being able to handle the kind of scoring I think you want. I haven't
checked that out personally so it may not be true.Art
On 1/27/2013 4:46 PM, glouisfr wrote:
> Hi I have been using sailwave for scoring races completed in one day however now run series done over a few months where I schedule 12 races each racing day and one racing day every 2 weeks.
>
> What I'm looking to do is score each racing day individually and have the overall series updated too as we add days.
>
> Is that possible with sailwave ? if so how ?
>
> thank you for your help
>
> Gilbert
>
>
>
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Gilbert,
Not sure you have answered the question, although you think you have.
So if I understand your race schedule you race over 8 weeks, once a fortnight and have 12 races during each day. So 48 races in total (planned).
So you score the 11 races from yesterday and award a winner for yesterday thats straightforward.
Two weeks time you score the 12 races and award the winner for that day, again straightforward.
But what you haven’t said is what you do to combine the two. Is that 23 races scored as a group? Or the places from day 1 and places from day 2?
Calum
On 2013-01-28 22:17, glouisfr wrote:
Thanks for your response. I’m surprised there is not an integrated solution for this kind of racing because it quite common here in Ireland and I believe in the UK too.
Basically I’m running 4 days miniseries. One Sunday every 2 weeks and each race day I’m scheduling 12 races but like yesterday it depends on the weather and for example we had 30-39 knots of wind yesterday and we only completed 11 of the 12 scheduled. And we may have one skipper dropping or join the series.
We’re a small fleet so to reward a win I run on a low point system but where 1st = 0.75pt
So in essence I need to do 2 scoring after each racing day. One for the day result and one for the overall series ?
thx,
Gilbert— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel wrote:
Your post might mean one of two things:
A. You want a series of races equal to #each day X #days. [12 races a
day times 20 days would be 240 races.]B. You want to score a series of scores equal to #days. Each boats score
for a day will be the final position of the boat in that day’s racing.
[20 race days would mean 20 “race” scores with each Sailwave “race”
being the result from one day of racing.][You don’t mention the type of scores you want to assign - rulebook
default Low Point or some kind of high-point system. That will have an
impact on your options.]For A, Sailwave should handle this by default. I don’t know if there is
a maximum number of races. The only possible issue will be scoring of
non-sailing boats and you can solve that with a custom scoring code
(although you might need to do a custom scoring code for each race day
as the score of a non-sailing boat usually varies based on the number of
boats that come out that day).For B, you would handle that by having a separate Sailwave file for each
day of racing. You would have a another file for the series and input
each boat’s score from a race day into the separate series file. For
DNF, DSQ, etc and non-sailing boats, scores would depend on how your NOR
and SIs define them.Sailwave has built-in export and import [merge] functions. However, you
cannot import scores (meaning points) only finishing positions. You
could export the “series” rank at the end of a day of racing, edit the
file to define that as a “race” finish position and then import.
However, because of built-in tie-breaking for races this probably won’t
work as you want (for 7 boats, two of which did not finish, you probably
want 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6; Sailwave will take those imported “finishing”
positions and assign points of 1 … 5, 6.5, 6.5; it will treat the DNFs
as tied for sixth and seventh rather than an absolute 6 points).It might go without saying, but if you use a high-point type scoring
(which many long series do as it has the potential for better fairness)
then you certainly cannot use Sailwave to score the series as the points
for various finishing positions will change from race to race. I don’t
think Sailwave could handle that under any circumstances.You are probably better off scoring each race day in Sailwave as a
stand-alone regatta and then using Excel or some other scoring program
to do the series scoring.Over the years I believe other Sailwave users have recommended Sail100
as being able to handle the kind of scoring I think you want. I haven’t
checked that out personally so it may not be true.Art
On 1/27/2013 4:46 PM, glouisfr wrote:
Hi I have been using sailwave for scoring races completed in one day however now run series done over a few months where I schedule 12 races each racing day and one racing day every 2 weeks.
What I’m looking to do is score each racing day individually and have the overall series updated too as we add days.
Is that possible with sailwave ? if so how ?
thank you for your help
Gilbert
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You can import the
overall results from one series into a single race of another
series (as points or places) - see File menu. So all you have
to do is one import per weekend or daily regatta.
On 28/01/2013 22:17, glouisfr wrote:
Cheers,
Colin J
Thanks for your response. I'm surprised there is not anintegrated solution for this kind of racing because it
quite common here in Ireland and I believe in the UK too.Basically I'm running 4 days miniseries. One Sunday every2 weeks and each race day I’m scheduling 12 races but like
yesterday it depends on the weather and for example we had
30-39 knots of wind yesterday and we only completed 11 of
the 12 scheduled. And we may have one skipper dropping or
join the series.We're a small fleet so to reward a win I run on a lowpoint system but where 1st = 0.75pt
So in essence I need to do 2 scoring after each racingday. One for the day result and one for the overall series
?thx, Gilbert --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com ,Art Engel wrote:
>
> Your post might mean one of two things:
>
> A. You want a series of races equal to #each day X
#days. [12 races a
> day times 20 days would be 240 races.]
>
> B. You want to score a series of scores equal to
#days. Each boats score
> for a day will be the final position of the boat in
that day’s racing.
> [20 race days would mean 20 “race” scores with each
Sailwave “race”
> being the result from one day of racing.]
>
> [You don’t mention the type of scores you want to
assign - rulebook
> default Low Point or some kind of high-point system.
That will have an
> impact on your options.]
>
> For A, Sailwave should handle this by default. I
don’t know if there is
> a maximum number of races. The only possible issue
will be scoring of
> non-sailing boats and you can solve that with a
custom scoring code
> (although you might need to do a custom scoring code
for each race day
> as the score of a non-sailing boat usually varies
based on the number of
> boats that come out that day).
>
> For B, you would handle that by having a separate
Sailwave file for each
> day of racing. You would have a another file for the
series and input
> each boat’s score from a race day into the separate
series file. For
> DNF, DSQ, etc and non-sailing boats, scores would
depend on how your NOR
> and SIs define them.
>
> Sailwave has built-in export and import [merge]
functions. However, you
> cannot import scores (meaning points) only finishing
positions. You
> could export the “series” rank at the end of a day of
racing, edit the
> file to define that as a “race” finish position and
then import.
> However, because of built-in tie-breaking for races
this probably won’t
> work as you want (for 7 boats, two of which did not
finish, you probably
> want 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6; Sailwave will take those
imported “finishing”
> positions and assign points of 1 … 5, 6.5, 6.5; it
will treat the DNFs
> as tied for sixth and seventh rather than an absolute
6 points).
>
> It might go without saying, but if you use a
high-point type scoring
> (which many long series do as it has the potential
for better fairness)
> then you certainly cannot use Sailwave to score the
series as the points
> for various finishing positions will change from race
to race. I don’t
> think Sailwave could handle that under any
circumstances.
>
> You are probably better off scoring each race day in
Sailwave as a
> stand-alone regatta and then using Excel or some
other scoring program
> to do the series scoring.
>
> Over the years I believe other Sailwave users have
recommended Sail100
> as being able to handle the kind of scoring I think
you want. I haven’t
> checked that out personally so it may not be true.
>
> Art
>
>
> On 1/27/2013 4:46 PM, glouisfr wrote:
> > Hi I have been using sailwave for scoring races
completed in one day however now run series done over a
few months where I schedule 12 races each racing day and
one racing day every 2 weeks.
> >
> > What I’m looking to do is score each racing day
individually and have the overall series updated too as we
add days.
> >
> > Is that possible with sailwave ? if so how ?
> >
> > thank you for your help
> >
> > Gilbert
> >
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