We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
Series/event tie
****If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
Nick
Nick,
We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go against them in the past…
We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that needed resolving further.
As Colin said, it’s infuriating as there is seemingly no good reason for this clause in their SI’s. Could you contact the RS association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the clubs who run their events say something they might actually start listening.
Chris
···
actually ignore
that.
click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed... (i.e.
do it by hand it needed).
its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very
confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as
series tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle… 
On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
Cheers,
Colin J
http://sailwave.com
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You can't,
but you can get kinda close.
Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and
tick “Non-standard series tie options”.
In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1
(under it) and 8.2.
Cheers,
On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
Colin J
http://sailwave.com
We are hosting the RS 200
Nationals next week and the class rules state the
following for Series Tie Resolution.
**
Series/event
tie** If,
after discard(s), two or more boats have the
same points total the tie will be broken in
accordance with RRS Appendix A8.1. If there is
still a tie this will be broken in favour of
the boat with the best excluded result. This
changes RRS A8. If a tie still exists then the
tie will be broken in accordance with RRS
Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule
the last race will be taken to mean the last
race actually completed on the water.
How can I
setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
Nick
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Chris / Colin
Thank you for your response. I will do as you suggest and speak to the RS reps at the event.
Cheers
Nick
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@...> wrote:
Nick,
We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go against them in the past....
We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that needed resolving further.
As Colin said, it's infuriating as there is seemingly no good reason for this clause in their SI's. Could you contact the RS association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the clubs who run their events say something they might actually start listening.
Chris
On 16 Aug 2012, at 11:35, Colin Jenkins <colin@...> wrote:
> actually ignore that.
>
> click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed... (i.e. do it by hand it needed).
>
> its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as series tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle...
>
> Cheers,
> Colin J
> http://sailwave.com
> On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
>>
>> You can't, but you can get kinda close.
>>
>> Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and tick "Non-standard series tie options".
>>
>> In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1 (under it) and 8.2.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Colin J
>> http://sailwave.com
>> On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
>>>
>>> We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
>>>
>>> Series/event tie If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
>>>
>>> How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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>
I'm Protest Chairman for the Irish RS 200 and 400 Nats this weekend.
Does anyone have a full copy of the class rules as I cannot find anything on the web.
Gordon
···
On 16/08/2012 13:30, Esc Sailwave wrote:
Chris / Colin
Thank you for your response. I will do as you suggest and speak to the RS reps at the event.
Cheers
Nick
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@...> wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go against them in the past....
>
> We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that needed resolving further.
>
> As Colin said, it's infuriating as there is seemingly no good reason for this clause in their SI's. Could you contact the RS association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the clubs who run their events say something they might actually start listening.
>
> Chris
>
> On 16 Aug 2012, at 11:35, Colin Jenkins <colin@...> wrote:
>
> > actually ignore that.
> >
> > click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed... (i.e. do it by hand it needed).
> >
> > its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as series tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Colin J
> > http://sailwave.com
> > On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
> >>
> >> You can't, but you can get kinda close.
> >>
> >> Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and tick "Non-standard series tie options".
> >>
> >> In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1 (under it) and 8.2.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Colin J
> >> http://sailwave.com
> >> On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
> >>>
> >>> Series/event tie If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
> >>>
> >>> How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
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Further information received - it would seem that the Irish RS 200 Assoc uses yet another tie break:
···
*
Series/event tie *If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same points total the tie will be broken by the winner of the last race.
How very confusing!
Gordon
On 16/08/2012 15:45, Gordon Davies wrote:
I'm Protest Chairman for the Irish RS 200 and 400 Nats this weekend.
Does anyone have a full copy of the class rules as I cannot find anything on the web.
Gordon
On 16/08/2012 13:30, Esc Sailwave wrote:
Chris / Colin
Thank you for your response. I will do as you suggest and speak to the RS reps at the event.
Cheers
Nick
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@...> wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go against them in the past....
>
> We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that needed resolving further.
>
> As Colin said, it's infuriating as there is seemingly no good reason for this clause in their SI's. Could you contact the RS association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the clubs who run their events say something they might actually start listening.
>
> Chris
>
> On 16 Aug 2012, at 11:35, Colin Jenkins <colin@...> wrote:
>
> > actually ignore that.
> >
> > click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed... (i.e. do it by hand it needed).
> >
> > its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as series tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Colin J
> > http://sailwave.com
> > On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
> >>
> >> You can't, but you can get kinda close.
> >>
> >> Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and tick "Non-standard series tie options".
> >>
> >> In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1 (under it) and 8.2.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Colin J
> >> http://sailwave.com
> >> On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
> >>>
> >>> Series/event tie If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
> >>>
> >>> How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this message.
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> >>
> >> No virus found in this message.
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> >
>
Try
http://www.rssailing.org/docs/RS_SI_2012.pdf
Nick
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Davies <gordondavies@...> wrote:
Further information received - it would seem that the Irish RS 200 Assoc
uses yet another tie break:
*
Series/event tie *If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same
points total the tie will be broken by the winner of the last race.
How very confusing!
Gordon
On 16/08/2012 15:45, Gordon Davies wrote:
>
> I'm Protest Chairman for the Irish RS 200 and 400 Nats this weekend.
>
> Does anyone have a full copy of the class rules as I cannot find
> anything on the web.
>
> Gordon
>
> On 16/08/2012 13:30, Esc Sailwave wrote:
>>
>> Chris / Colin
>> Thank you for your response. I will do as you suggest and speak to
>> the RS reps at the event.
>> Cheers
>> Nick
>>
>> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Nick,
>> >
>> > We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact
>> issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come
>> of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go
>> against them in the past....
>> >
>> > We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that
>> needed resolving further.
>> >
>> > As Colin said, it's infuriating as there is seemingly no good
>> reason for this clause in their SI's. Could you contact the RS
>> association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the
>> clubs who run their events say something they might actually start
>> listening.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On 16 Aug 2012, at 11:35, Colin Jenkins <colin@> wrote:
>> >
>> > > actually ignore that.
>> > >
>> > > click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed... (i.e.
>> do it by hand it needed).
>> > >
>> > > its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very
>> confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as series
>> tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle...
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Colin J
>> > > http://sailwave.com
>> > > On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> You can't, but you can get kinda close.
>> > >>
>> > >> Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and tick
>> "Non-standard series tie options".
>> > >>
>> > >> In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1 (under
>> it) and 8.2.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >> Colin J
>> > >> http://sailwave.com
>> > >> On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class
>> rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Series/event tie If, after discard(s), two or more boats have
>> the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS
>> Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour
>> of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a
>> tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS
>> Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be
>> taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Nick
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No virus found in this message.
>> > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> > >>> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5203 - Release
>> Date: 08/15/12
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> No virus found in this message.
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>> 08/15/12
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>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
Hi Gordon
I have raised this issue with the class at previous events but they prefer to follow their own views. I suppose that we cannot say that they are wrong when our sport allows a significant number of rules to be changed :-/
Nick has sent you the link to the standard SIs which the RS Class association produce each year, but if you need the actual class rules, they can be found here
http://www.rs200sailing.org/index.asp?selection=Documents&Fleet=RS200. Go to the RS 400 documents page to find their class rules
Regards
Ralph
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Esc Sailwave
Sent: 16 August 2012 19:20
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Series Tie Resolution
Try
http://www.rssailing.org/docs/RS_SI_2012.pdf
Nick
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Davies <gordondavies@…> wrote:
Further information received - it would seem that the Irish RS 200 Assoc
uses yet another tie break:
*
Series/event tie *If, after discard(s), two or more boats have the same
points total the tie will be broken by the winner of the last race.
How very confusing!
Gordon
On 16/08/2012 15:45, Gordon Davies wrote:
I’m Protest Chairman for the Irish RS 200 and 400 Nats this weekend.
Does anyone have a full copy of the class rules as I cannot find
anything on the web.
Gordon
On 16/08/2012 13:30, Esc Sailwave wrote:
Chris / Colin
Thank you for your response. I will do as you suggest and speak to
the RS reps at the event.
Cheers
Nick
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com,
Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
Nick,
We ran an RS event at Draycote in March. We flagged this exact
issue up to the RS Association at the time but guess nothing has come
of it. Perhaps one of their committee members has had a tie go
against them in the past…
We did as Colin said I think, and luckily there were no ties that
needed resolving further.
As Colin said, it’s infuriating as there is seemingly no good
reason for this clause in their SI’s. Could you contact the RS
association as well and point it out to them. Perhaps if all the
clubs who run their events say something they might actually start
listening.
Chris
On 16 Aug 2012, at 11:35, Colin Jenkins <colin@> wrote:
actually ignore that.
click 8.1 and 8.8 only and hope that 8.2 is not needed… (i.e.
do it by hand it needed).
its very hard to cope with non standard stuff - and i get very
confused by organisations do it for somehgting as arbitrary as series
tie breaks knowing that is it gong to cause hassle…
Cheers,
Colin J
http://sailwave.com
On 16/08/2012 11:27, Colin Jenkins wrote:
You can’t, but you can get kinda close.
Click on the User Interface button in the toolbar and tick
“Non-standard series tie options”.
In the scoring system tick 8.1, include discards for 8.1 (under
it) and 8.2.
Cheers,
Colin J
http://sailwave.com
On 16/08/2012 10:40, Esc Sailwave wrote:
We are hosting the RS 200 Nationals next week and the class
rules state the following for Series Tie Resolution.
Series/event tie If, after discard(s), two or more boats have
the same points total the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS
Appendix A8.1. If there is still a tie this will be broken in favour
of the boat with the best excluded result. This changes RRS A8. If a
tie still exists then the tie will be broken in accordance with RRS
Appendix A8.2. For the purpose of this rule the last race will be
taken to mean the last race actually completed on the water.
How can I setup Sailwave to cope with this? Thank you.
Nick
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