Dear Colin
I'm trying to convince the organisers of Chichester Harbour
Federation Week that Sailwave is a better system than they currently
use.
However, the one real problem is the inability to enter different
start times per fleet, as an offset from the first start.
This year Fed.Week had 400 boats in 18 classes split between 3
committee boat start lines. If using Sailwave for the future, each
committee boat's set of results would preferably have a single
Sailwave file containing multiple fleets, rather than a file for each
fleet.
Even using multiple files, Sailwave has considerable advantages
including the ease of producing html results for immediate website
publication, and it might even be possible to enter results on the
water, leaving only a check against the daily sign-on/sign-off sheets
to be done ashore.
We manage OK at Langstone, but rarely have more than 25 boats out for
club racing, so remembering to deduct the appropriate number of start
minutes for each result is acceptable.
Hopefully this feature will be available before too long.
Meanwhile, I have found a small problem that I haven't seen noted
elsewhere. I am using the latest version downloaded today.
A new series file is created and results entered. For the first race
I select the option to view corrected times rather than positions.
After the second race results are entered I select unscore/score
fleets separately again. All the results, including the first race,
show positions again and I have to re-select corrected times. Not
major, just a bit irritating.
jenny fletcher
Jenny,
If I've got it right, there's a way to enter the starting time for
each fleet. We use this for our PHRF racing in Vancouver, with about
6 classes each race. Maybe someonewho knows the trick will pass it
along to you, but the feature certainly does exist.
At a cost, however, for one design racing. I'm told that the way
Colin got the phrf class times to work was to partially disable
the 'unscore' routine. Now when we hit 'unscore' for one design
racing, we get a list of finishes in each class from 1 to n, rather
than a complete list of all finishers, no matter what class, as they
cross the line. This is very difficult for large one design
regattas, where boats of different classes are finishing together and
the recorders can't necessarily separate them as they cross.
The class starting time should probably go in 'Fleet properties', and
I'm sure over time it will get fixed. But it's a shame to sacrifice
the 'unscore' feature.
jrc
--- In sailwave@y..., "jennysue190451" <jfletcher@j...> wrote:
However, the one real problem is the inability to enter different
start times per fleet, as an offset from the first start.
This year Fed.Week had 400 boats in 18 classes split between 3
committee boat start lines. If using Sailwave for the future, each
committee boat's set of results would preferably have a single
Sailwave file containing multiple fleets, rather than a file for
each
fleet.
We manage OK at Langstone, but rarely have more than 25 boats out
for club racing, so remembering to deduct the appropriate number of
start minutes for each result is acceptable.
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Hopefully this feature will be available before too long.
Hi Jenny,
However, the one real problem is the inability to enter different
start times per fleet, as an offset from the first start.
You can do this now (if I've understood you correctly) using the
following method: in a multi-fleet series set the start time for at
least one competitor in each fleet (for the appropriate race) - then
when entering start times via Edit+Result (or double-clicking etc) or
the SailNo Wizard, Sailwave will grab the appropriate time by
default. Let me know if this is not what you mean.
Meanwhile, I have found a small problem that I haven't seen noted
elsewhere. I am using the latest version downloaded today.
A new series file is created and results entered. For the first
race
I select the option to view corrected times rather than positions.
After the second race results are entered I select unscore/score
fleets separately again. All the results, including the first race,
show positions again and I have to re-select corrected times. Not
major, just a bit irritating.
This is the default behaviour - i.e. always flit back to points after
scoring - I'll make that optional.
NB: the Unscore is not needed you can do Score, Score...
Regards,
Colin
Colin
I've tried this, but can't get it to work correctly unless I input a
finish CLOCK time for each competitor as opposed to the elapsed time
from the first fleet to start which is what we work with, both for
our club racing and for Fed.Week.
What I'm looking for is to say, this is a slow handicap fleet
competitor, therefore we must deduct 10 minutes (the offset time to
be entered for the slow handicap fleet) from the elapsed time before
working out the corrected time. Given that the start sequence was
12:00:00 fast handicap, 12:05:00, medium handicap, 12:10:00 slow
handicap.
If you looked at an unscored race, the elapsed times should be shown
in Sailwave as entered from the finish sheet. If the race had been
scored the elapsed times would be shown with the appropriate offset
adjustment.
I also managed to get 'stuck' trying to switch off auto - under some
circumstances it just WON'T switch off and let me revert to entering
an elapsed time.
Jenny
--- In sailwave@y..., "sailwave2" <sailwave2@y...> wrote:
Hi Jenny,
> However, the one real problem is the inability to enter different
> start times per fleet, as an offset from the first start.
>
You can do this now (if I've understood you correctly) using the
following method: in a multi-fleet series set the start time for at
least one competitor in each fleet (for the appropriate race) -
then
when entering start times via Edit+Result (or double-clicking etc)
or
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the SailNo Wizard, Sailwave will grab the appropriate time by
default. Let me know if this is not what you mean.
Hi Jenny, OK I see what you mean now; I didn't realise you were using
elapsed times; I'll sort something out ASAP. I'm going to formalise by dev
task (again) and publish it on the web site because I keep promising too
much stuff "ASAP". When is Fed. Wk.? Re: the loop , yes, its a pain, its
because that checkbox is trying to be helpful and set itself
appropriately... I've been using MS stuff too much; I'll sort it out. CJ.
Colin Jenkins, Match-IT Limited
Tel: 0845 1300 410, Fax: 0845 1300 610
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-----Original Message-----
From: jennysue190451 [mailto:jfletcher@jafconsulting.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: 29 August 2002 14:10
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: shifted start times re-visited and a bug?
Colin
I've tried this, but can't get it to work correctly unless I input a
finish CLOCK time for each competitor as opposed to the elapsed time
from the first fleet to start which is what we work with, both for
our club racing and for Fed.Week.
What I'm looking for is to say, this is a slow handicap fleet
competitor, therefore we must deduct 10 minutes (the offset time to
be entered for the slow handicap fleet) from the elapsed time before
working out the corrected time. Given that the start sequence was
12:00:00 fast handicap, 12:05:00, medium handicap, 12:10:00 slow
handicap.
If you looked at an unscored race, the elapsed times should be shown
in Sailwave as entered from the finish sheet. If the race had been
scored the elapsed times would be shown with the appropriate offset
adjustment.
I also managed to get 'stuck' trying to switch off auto - under some
circumstances it just WON'T switch off and let me revert to entering
an elapsed time.
Jenny
--- In sailwave@y..., "sailwave2" <sailwave2@y...> wrote:
Hi Jenny,
> However, the one real problem is the inability to enter different
> start times per fleet, as an offset from the first start.
>
You can do this now (if I've understood you correctly) using the
following method: in a multi-fleet series set the start time for at
least one competitor in each fleet (for the appropriate race) -
then
when entering start times via Edit+Result (or double-clicking etc)
or
the SailNo Wizard, Sailwave will grab the appropriate time by
default. Let me know if this is not what you mean.
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Hi Jenny,
I also managed to get 'stuck' trying to switch off auto - under some
circumstances it just WON'T switch off and let me revert to entering
an elapsed time.<
This looks OK in v1.44; are you using an earlier version...?
regards,
Colin
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Colin
I'm using the latest version, but this doesn't happen all the time,
and I can't pinpoint exactly what triggers the problem, other than it
happens when trying to change to elapsed from auto start/finish times
having done it once and scored by fleet.
Fed.Wk 2002 has just happened 19-24 August. Next year 2003 is 11-15
August - so you have a LITTLE bit of time! 
many thanks
Jenny
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin.jenkins@m...> wrote:
Hi Jenny,
>I also managed to get 'stuck' trying to switch off auto - under
some
circumstances it just WON'T switch off and let me revert to
entering
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an elapsed time.<
This looks OK in v1.44; are you using an earlier version...?
regards,
Colin