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what is the recommended way to handle the following scenario in
sailwave:

The class will be sailed in split fleets.
Day one the boats allocated to fleet a,b,c,d.
Race 1 a and b ; c and d. Race 2 a and c; b and d. Race 3 a and d;
b and c
End of day one reallocated the fleets based on their results. Then
run the same series again on race day two.
The fleet is reengineered at the end of the day one sailing no
matter how many races get away.
After two scheduled race days (and hopefully 6 races) we drop one
race (no drop if only 5 races) and split the fleet into Gold and
Silver.
The remaining two days racing the boats remain in these fleets.

thanks!!

2

This is a tough one. I thought I had a work-around, but among other
things, it wouldn't have handled coded finishes (DNF, etc.) correctly.

The problem is that the 'Score by field' function uses one rule based
on one field from the data currently in place (Fleet, Flight, etc.)
and then applies it to ALL of the races. If the 'Score by field'
function used race-specific rules (perhaps via 'Starts') then I
believe it could do what you ask - with minor work-arounds.

Other things that would help:

The ability to add user-defined data fields which can be seeded or
used in rules.

The ability to select competitors using logical operators other than
just 'equal' (e.g., 'greater', 'less', 'between', etc.)

Correct the BUG that does not properly seed competitors using the
order in which they are shown or sorted. (Contrary to the note at the
top of the 'Seed...' window!)

Kett

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what is the recommended way to handle the following scenario in
sailwave:

The class will be sailed in split fleets.
Day one the boats allocated to fleet a,b,c,d.
Race 1 a and b ; c and d. Race 2 a and c; b and d. Race 3 a and d;
b and c
End of day one reallocated the fleets based on their results. Then
run the same series again on race day two.
The fleet is reengineered at the end of the day one sailing no
matter how many races get away.
After two scheduled race days (and hopefully 6 races) we drop one
race (no drop if only 5 races) and split the fleet into Gold and
Silver.
The remaining two days racing the boats remain in these fleets.

thanks!!

3

Hi,

Presumably you're running an Appendix KE type event. i.e. allowing multiple 1sts, 2nds etc per race. Currently no rotation is facilitated although it is not far away. You can still score app KE events,- just select that option from Edit+ScoringSystem and enter the results with multiple firsts etc. Use the *flight* column to represent the fleets, this is maximise scope for automation in the future; it is also how Sailwave knows when to score another 1st or a 2nd when using the sailno wizard. PS: did you receive an email from another software vendor saying "we can do that" as a result of posting your message?

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

andshe11 wrote:

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what is the recommended way to handle the following scenario in sailwave:

The class will be sailed in split fleets.
Day one the boats allocated to fleet a,b,c,d. Race 1 a and b ; c and d. Race 2 a and c; b and d. Race 3 a and d; b and c
End of day one reallocated the fleets based on their results. Then run the same series again on race day two.
The fleet is reengineered at the end of the day one sailing no matter how many races get away.
After two scheduled race days (and hopefully 6 races) we drop one race (no drop if only 5 races) and split the fleet into Gold and Silver.
The remaining two days racing the boats remain in these fleets.

thanks!!

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Hi Kett,

Other things that would help:

The ability to add user-defined data fields which can be seeded or used in rules.

Agree, planned.

The ability to select competitors using logical operators other than just 'equal' (e.g., 'greater', 'less', 'between', etc.)

Current repitoire in latest 1.58 (not released) is:-

   equal to
   greater than
   less than
   contains
   has prefix
   has suffix

+ their negations. Let me know if you can think more any more primitives. NB: I'm trying to stay away from mathematical words/symbols.

Correct the BUG that does not properly seed competitors using the order in which they are shown or sorted. (Contrary to the note at the top of the 'Seed...' window!)

I'm sure I fixed that!

CJ

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Kett

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what is the recommended way to handle the following scenario in sailwave:

The class will be sailed in split fleets.
Day one the boats allocated to fleet a,b,c,d. Race 1 a and b ; c and d. Race 2 a and c; b and d. Race 3 a and d; b and c
End of day one reallocated the fleets based on their results. Then run the same series again on race day two.
The fleet is reengineered at the end of the day one sailing no matter how many races get away.
After two scheduled race days (and hopefully 6 races) we drop one race (no drop if only 5 races) and split the fleet into Gold and Silver.
The remaining two days racing the boats remain in these fleets.

thanks!!

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Colin,

I've checked that I am using 1.58 Beta and the seeding definitely
does not work properly. Is there a new Beta?

Regarding data selection... I have an accounting program that uses an
interesting method for creating reports. Here is how it would adapt
to SW:

The selection window would have 4 columns, with one row for each
Field. The first column is fixed as the name of the data field.

The second column is the Operator drop-down with the following
functions: Equal, Not Equal, Greater, Less, Greater or =, Less or =,
Between, Not Between, In List, Not In List, Contains, Not Contain,
Prefix, Not Prefix, Suffix, and Not Suffix.

The third column is a drop-down with the possible values for the
given Field. If '(Not)In List' is the operator, then more than one
value in the drop-down can be selected. If the data field is a
numeric value such as points or time, then it would be a text-entry
field, not a drop-down. Also, Contains, Prefix, Suffix, etc. require
a text-entry field.

The fourth column is just like the third, except that it's only used
if '(Not)Between' is selected as the operator.

Well, there's my suggestion... you asked for it!

Thanks,
Kett

Hi Kett,

> Other things that would help:

> The ability to add user-defined data fields which can be seeded

or

> used in rules.

Agree, planned.

> The ability to select competitors using logical operators other

than

> just 'equal' (e.g., 'greater', 'less', 'between', etc.)

Current repitoire in latest 1.58 (not released) is:-

   equal to
   greater than
   less than
   contains
   has prefix
   has suffix

+ their negations. Let me know if you can think more any more
primitives. NB: I'm trying to stay away from mathematical

words/symbols.

> Correct the BUG that does not properly seed competitors using the
> order in which they are shown or sorted. (Contrary to the note at

the

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@s...> wrote:

> top of the 'Seed...' window!)

I'm sure I fixed that!

CJ

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Hi Kett,

OK I'll fix it.

WRT your idea: that is exactly what I have done, with the extension of an option to state that all the rules must fire or any of the rules can fire for a competitor to match. That alone is not enough howeverm needs to make multi-line expressios using AND, which I have done too. The multi-line stuff is off by default and hidden so hopefully 99% of the time you can get away with the list of simple expressions.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

kett63 wrote:

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Colin,

I've checked that I am using 1.58 Beta and the seeding definitely does not work properly. Is there a new Beta?

Regarding data selection... I have an accounting program that uses an interesting method for creating reports. Here is how it would adapt to SW:

The selection window would have 4 columns, with one row for each Field. The first column is fixed as the name of the data field.

The second column is the Operator drop-down with the following functions: Equal, Not Equal, Greater, Less, Greater or =, Less or =, Between, Not Between, In List, Not In List, Contains, Not Contain, Prefix, Not Prefix, Suffix, and Not Suffix.

The third column is a drop-down with the possible values for the given Field. If '(Not)In List' is the operator, then more than one value in the drop-down can be selected. If the data field is a numeric value such as points or time, then it would be a text-entry field, not a drop-down. Also, Contains, Prefix, Suffix, etc. require a text-entry field.

The fourth column is just like the third, except that it's only used if '(Not)Between' is selected as the operator.

Well, there's my suggestion... you asked for it!

Thanks,
Kett

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@s...> wrote:

Hi Kett,

Other things that would help:

The ability to add user-defined data fields which can be seeded

or

used in rules.

Agree, planned.

The ability to select competitors using logical operators other

than

just 'equal' (e.g., 'greater', 'less', 'between', etc.)

Current repitoire in latest 1.58 (not released) is:-

  equal to
  greater than
  less than
  contains
  has prefix
  has suffix

+ their negations. Let me know if you can think more any more primitives. NB: I'm trying to stay away from mathematical

words/symbols.

Correct the BUG that does not properly seed competitors using the order in which they are shown or sorted. (Contrary to the note at

the

top of the 'Seed...' window!)

I'm sure I fixed that!

CJ

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