Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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Hello Colin,
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 2:53:55 PM, you wrote:
Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
Yes - that is quite common around here. We often have several classes
sailing the same course (or at least the same start and finish lines -
sometimes the faster classes get a longer course than the slow boats),
with the different classes starting at five or six minute intervals.
The classes are then often mixed up at the finish, and the recorder
just records sail number and time in order, without regard to class.
I would like the sail number wizard to ask for the start times for
all classes before I start entering the sail numbers and times, rather
than asking for the class start time when it comes upon a boat in a
"new" class - in a recent race, I didn't watch the screen carefully while
entering finishes, and apparently missed a prompt for a class start
time, and the following finish times were taken as elapsed rather
than clock times - messed up the results a bit!
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Hi Colin,
That would certainly happen at our regatta where we will be entering finish
times for several races at the same time when the race start times were
different.
Regards,
Richard Gunn
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 27 April 2004 22:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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Thanks Peter, it is the sailno wizard context that I was thinking about and
the problem that you mention what I am trying to address. I think it's time
for Sailwave to stop trying to 'guess' what's happening and get the user
specify how s/he is going to enter finishes into Sailwave; specification of
start times and/or start time offsets is integral in that (and elapsed time
differences). It's an extra step in setting up a series, but it should be
fairly painless.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
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From: Peter Bennett [mailto:peterbb4@interchange.ubc.ca]
Sent: 28 April 2004 00:40
To: Colin Jenkins
Subject: Re: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hello Colin,
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 2:53:55 PM, you wrote:
Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail
numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
Yes - that is quite common around here. We often have several classes
sailing the same course (or at least the same start and finish lines -
sometimes the faster classes get a longer course than the slow boats),
with the different classes starting at five or six minute intervals.
The classes are then often mixed up at the finish, and the recorder
just records sail number and time in order, without regard to class.
I would like the sail number wizard to ask for the start times for
all classes before I start entering the sail numbers and times, rather
than asking for the class start time when it comes upon a boat in a
"new" class - in a recent race, I didn't watch the screen carefully while
entering finishes, and apparently missed a prompt for a class start
time, and the following finish times were taken as elapsed rather
than clock times - messed up the results a bit!
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
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Thanks Richard.
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From: Richard Gunn [mailto:richard@gunn.me.uk]
Sent: 28 April 2004 08:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hi Colin,
That would certainly happen at our regatta where we will be entering finish
times for several races at the same time when the race start times were
different.
Regards,
Richard Gunn
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From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 27 April 2004 22:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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That sounds very useful Colin.
Regards,
Richard Gunn
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From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 28 April 2004 09:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] start+finish times
Thanks Peter, it is the sailno wizard context that I was thinking about and
the problem that you mention what I am trying to address. I think it's time
for Sailwave to stop trying to 'guess' what's happening and get the user
specify how s/he is going to enter finishes into Sailwave; specification of
start times and/or start time offsets is integral in that (and elapsed time
differences). It's an extra step in setting up a series, but it should be
fairly painless.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
Hello Colin,
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 12:59:33 AM, you wrote:
Thanks Peter, it is the sailno wizard context that I was thinking about and
the problem that you mention what I am trying to address. I think it's time
for Sailwave to stop trying to 'guess' what's happening and get the user
specify how s/he is going to enter finishes into Sailwave; specification of
start times and/or start time offsets is integral in that (and elapsed time
differences). It's an extra step in setting up a series, but it should be
fairly painless.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
We should be able to enter the start times as the first step of
entering finishes - not as part of the series setup. We don't know
when a class starts until it does - starts may be postponed due to lack of
wind, general recall, course changes, etc.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
Hi Peter,
We should be able to enter the start times as the first step of
entering finishes - not as part of the series setup. We don't know
when a class starts until it does - starts may be postponed due to lack of
wind, general recall, course changes, etc.<
I agree and my design handles both. You can setup the starts up-front and
do it in real-time when using the sailno wizard. Not everybody uses the
wizard. Also it allows Sailwave to generate a NOR or daily schedule etc
using the up-front data. While the actual start time and actual course etc
is not known until it actually happens, there is always a planned time to
start and a planned course to sail etc.
Race distances and courses (etc) will also be specifiable per start.
I have also included a 'clock adjustment' per start, so that the elapsed
times and finish times entered into Sailwave can be the same as those on
paper. Currently if an elapsed time clock is started at the first start but
all elapsed times are taken from that clock, the user must do subtraction
when entering the results as elapsed times for each start. This means the
results are not easily checked. Ditto finish times.
I am moving towards clearly decoupling 'how the boats sailed' from 'how to
score the boats' - currently everything is tangled up in fleets and race
details. Once decoupled, the fleet concept, per say, will go and you'll be
able to score the boats using any column as the 'fleet' - with column
specific overrides for scoring system.
The start record is also the natural place for a race status: not-sailed,
sailed, cancelled, abandoned.
There will be a list of starts in Edit+Starts + the ability override each
in Edit+Race.
Regards,
Colin J
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Hi Colin,
That happens quite often at our regattas. Being able to enter start time,
course, course length for each fleet before any results are entered would be
helpful.
Regards,
Mark Townsend
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 05/01/04 00:53:26
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hi all,
When entering finish times via a list of sail numbers, are the sail numbers
given to you ever *jumbled up* such that some of the boats started at
different times to others.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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Shouldn't the information be part of edit race, where you enter wind
strength, direction, etc. Also need to be able enter fleet start time and
course.
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 05/01/04 22:07:21
To: Colin Jenkins
Subject: Re[2]: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hello Colin,
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 12:59:33 AM, you wrote:
Thanks Peter, it is the sailno wizard context that I was thinking about
and
the problem that you mention what I am trying to address. I think it's
time
for Sailwave to stop trying to 'guess' what's happening and get the user
specify how s/he is going to enter finishes into Sailwave; specification
of
start times and/or start time offsets is integral in that (and elapsed
time
differences). It's an extra step in setting up a series, but it should
be
fairly painless.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
We should be able to enter the start times as the first step of
entering finishes - not as part of the series setup. We don't know
when a class starts until it does - starts may be postponed due to lack of
wind, general recall, course changes, etc.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
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Hi Mark,
That's where it'll be to be edited at any time. But it'll also be available
during the sailno wizard process. Either way the information ends up in the
same place.
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Townsend [mailto:s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com]
Sent: 03 May 2004 00:32
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com; sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [sailwave] start+finish times
Shouldn't the information be part of edit race, where you enter wind
strength, direction, etc. Also need to be able enter fleet start time and
course.
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 05/01/04 22:07:21
To: Colin Jenkins
Subject: Re[2]: [sailwave] start+finish times
Hello Colin,
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 12:59:33 AM, you wrote:
Thanks Peter, it is the sailno wizard context that I was thinking about
and
the problem that you mention what I am trying to address. I think it's
time
for Sailwave to stop trying to 'guess' what's happening and get the user
specify how s/he is going to enter finishes into Sailwave; specification
of
start times and/or start time offsets is integral in that (and elapsed
time
differences). It's an extra step in setting up a series, but it should
be
fairly painless.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
We should be able to enter the start times as the first step of
entering finishes - not as part of the series setup. We don't know
when a class starts until it does - starts may be postponed due to lack of
wind, general recall, course changes, etc.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
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