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Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But
when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of
boats in the biggest start in this race

  • N".

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

···

Anders Landenstad Svensk Juniorsegling

2

Hi Anders, yess I add it to the next version. Apologies for not replying earlier - just busy.. and believe it not spent all weekend sailing!

Colin

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it “number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N”.

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

3

Anders,

where do you find this scoring option “number of boats in the biggest start + N”?

regards

Ulrik haumann

···

----- Original Message ----
From: Anders Landenstad <>
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 24 April, 2006 11:22:47 AM
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it “number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N”.

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

Anders LandenstadSvensk Juniorsegling

4

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it “number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N”.

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

5

Hi Ralph

FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025. Testing in the next few days. Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use     "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

6

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

I have been ‘wrestling’ with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

Current options don’t allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON’T use the Flight Assignment tool!

The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

My notes will probably ask for some sort of ‘Select Competitors’ window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025. Testing in the next few days. Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus ;-)

Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

  Hi Colin,

  When scoring a series with flights you use       "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

  Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

7

I trust you have noticed that “Medal Races” on the final day of large regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.

I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non discardable.

Now the original file should be used.

After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is scored as DNC.

In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers of boats in the Gold larger fleet.

It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it’s tie decided separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

I have been ‘wrestling’ with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

Current options don’t allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON’T use the Flight Assignment tool!

The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

My notes will probably ask for some sort of ‘Select Competitors’ window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.  Testing in the next few days.  Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

  Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

  Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

  Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

  Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]

    Hi Colin,

    When scoring a series with flights you use         "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

    Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

8

Hi Mike, Confirm the medal race stuff in 1.93 can handle it in the same file. Just tick the box and set N (10 by default). Sailwave breaks ties for the first N as per submission (whatever their result in the last race). Then does normal tie breaking for the rest. However it does do double points for all boats (inc DNC non-medal boats) so that a non medal racer cannot beat a medal racer.

CJ

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:36
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]

I trust you have noticed that “Medal Races” on the final day of large regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.

I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non discardable.

Now the original file should be used.

After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is scored as DNC.

In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers of boats in the Gold larger fleet.

It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it’s tie decided separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield

----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight Assignment tool!

The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

  FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.  Testing in the next few days.  Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

    Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

    Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

    Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

    Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]

      Hi Colin,

      When scoring a series with flights you use           "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

      Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

9

Thanks Mike

I have

Addendum C which is part of Appendix LE (v 1st Jan 05) and

Appendix Q which covers umpiring the finals

Submission 025 which was approved at the last ISAF meeting

I have now found AddQ (but not sure how AppQ & AddQ differ)

Looking at AddQ & AddC, I cannot see where they refer to

  • the medals race should be scored in the same file (although this is common sense)

  • how OCS, RTD etc should be scored (although common sense says 10=)

There is one significant problem I see with AddC & some of the recent regattas is that discards are applicable to the regatta as a whole.

This could mean that there is 1 discard in the Qual series & a 2nd kicks in some time during the finals.

BUT, a boat could have both discards applying to either series.

My personal view is that AddC events should determine the discards for qual & finals separately.

I have advised Colin to build in this facility into SW as I believe that common sense will eventually prevail & AddC will be updated to require separate discards

Do you have any inside knowledge of when AddC is likely to be updated??

WRT non-medal race tiebreaks, for the remainder of the Gold fleet, I will give this some thought.

Might result in some extra coding to force the normal tiebreak rules for 11th place to x

Colin: when you deal with tiebreaks, remember that the tie on the last race only applies to the boats in the medals race.

The current trend is for 10 boats in the medals race but will this always be the case…??

Regards

Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Trish Butterfield [mailto:pmbutterfield@email.msn.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]

I trust you have noticed that “Medal Races” on the final day of large regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.

I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non discardable.

Now the original file should be used.

After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is scored as DNC.

In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers of boats in the Gold larger fleet.

It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it’s tie decided separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield

----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight Assignment tool!

The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

  FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.  Testing in the next few days.  Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

    Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

    Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

    Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

    Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]

      Hi Colin,

      When scoring a series with flights you use           "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

      Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

10

Hi Ralph,

Colin: when you deal with tiebreaks, remember that
the tie on the last race only applies to the boats
in the medals race.

Confirm that's how I did it, different logic for first N in medal race.

The current trend is for 10 boats in the medals race but
will this always be the case.......??

Confirm can specify N.

NB: WRT discards what've I've done is add somehting that says "at least" N
(definable) discards must come from the finals but I'm wondering is I need
"exactly" N as well...?

Regards
Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Trish Butterfield [mailto:pmbutterfield@email.msn.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]

I trust you have noticed that "Medal Races" on the final day of large
regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.
I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non
discardable.
Now the original file should be used.
After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is
scored as DNC.
In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers
of boats in the Gold larger fleet.
It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the
decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it's tie decided
separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin
That's one of my "Actions for Colin"

I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.
Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight
Assignment tool!
The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.
I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be
amended manually if required.
My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window with
a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in
the finals and I have coded the rest of 025. Testing in the next few days.
Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the
Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.
Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.
Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use "number of boats in the biggest
start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like
to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

Med v�nlig h�lsning/Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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11

Hi Colin

NB: WRT discards what've I've done is add somehting that says "at least" N

(definable) discards must come from the finals but I'm wondering is I need
"exactly" N as well...?<<

Not sure about this one as there is no definitive guidance from ISAF or whoever.
I am trying to second guess what ought to happen but common sense is not always the final solution
Don't know if Mike Butterfield can come up with anything from his contacts.

I think "exactly" is what we want as SIs normally define exactly, based upon x races sailed.

Would the following work??
Enter the profile as say 0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2
(Where races 1-6 are Qual & 7-12 are finals)
A tick box is then available to identify that discards are specific to Qual & Finals.

The only problem with this is if there is adverse weather & the Qual races are x races short.
If this happened, then I suppose we would have to edit the files manually anyway

Unless you can wave a magic wand to tick a box that says 'ignore' unsailed races.......

Do any other SUG members have a view?

PS Looking at the Qingdao regatta in August, it looks as though they are not using Qual & Finals :slight_smile:

Regards
Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 14:37
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph,

Colin: when you deal with tiebreaks, remember that
the tie on the last race only applies to the boats
in the medals race.

Confirm that's how I did it, different logic for first N in medal race.

The current trend is for 10 boats in the medals race but
will this always be the case.......??

Confirm can specify N.

Regards
Ralph

12

This looks OK will consider further soon.

Off to Dubai next week for an Appendix Q fleet race event.

Will be replying to Ralph on this.

Mike

There are comments on an ISAF disk sent to me if will copy to you soon.

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:46 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Mike, Confirm the medal race stuff in 1.93 can handle it in the same file. Just tick the box and set N (10 by default). Sailwave breaks ties for the first N as per submission (whatever their result in the last race). Then does normal tie breaking for the rest. However it does do double points for all boats (inc DNC non-medal boats) so that a non medal racer cannot beat a medal racer.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:36
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]

I trust you have noticed that "Medal Races" on the final day of large regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.

I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non discardable.

Now the original file should be used.

After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is scored as DNC.

In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers of boats in the Gold larger fleet.

It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it's tie decided separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield

----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

  I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

  Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

  The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight Assignment tool!

  The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

  I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

  My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

    FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.  Testing in the next few days.  Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

      Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

      Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

      Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

      Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]

        Hi Colin,

        When scoring a series with flights you use             "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

        Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

13

Addendun C as it is the rule book will bot change till Jan 2009 I would think.

I am seeing the person who wrires it in May.

Mike

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:30 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Mike

I have

Addendum C which is part of Appendix LE (v 1st Jan 05) and

Appendix Q which covers umpiring the finals

Submission 025 which was approved at the last ISAF meeting

I have now found AddQ (but not sure how AppQ & AddQ differ)

Looking at AddQ & AddC, I cannot see where they refer to

  • the medals race should be scored in the same file (although this is common sense)
  • how OCS, RTD etc should be scored (although common sense says 10=)

There is one significant problem I see with AddC & some of the recent regattas is that discards are applicable to the regatta as a whole.

This could mean that there is 1 discard in the Qual series & a 2nd kicks in some time during the finals.

BUT, a boat could have both discards applying to either series.

My personal view is that AddC events should determine the discards for qual & finals separately.

I have advised Colin to build in this facility into SW as I believe that common sense will eventually prevail & AddC will be updated to require separate discards

Do you have any inside knowledge of when AddC is likely to be updated??

WRT non-medal race tiebreaks, for the remainder of the Gold fleet, I will give this some thought.

Might result in some extra coding to force the normal tiebreak rules for 11th place to x

Colin: when you deal with tiebreaks, remember that the tie on the last race only applies to the boats in the medals race.

The current trend is for 10 boats in the medals race but will this always be the case…??

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Trish Butterfield [mailto:pmbutterfield@email.msn.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 13:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]

I trust you have noticed that "Medal Races" on the final day of large regattas using Addendum Q are to be scored in the same file.

I used to do the last race in a separate file which made the last race non discardable.

Now the original file should be used.

After the 10 in the medal race, all others in the fleet (usually Gold) is scored as DNC.

In the medal race OCS RTD RAF etc are all scored by reference to the numbers of boats in the Gold larger fleet.

It puts you last of the 10.

This means there needs to be some systen to have the final race as the decider in the event of a TIE.

In may mean then thea one of the 10+ boats could have it's tie decided separately?

I could reserch this if you wanted a definate answer

We ised thia at the Princess Sofia Regatta in Palma the other week.

Mike Butterfield

----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

  I have been 'wrestling' with how to do Assignments to Finals fleets.

  Current options don't allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher group.

  The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON'T use the Flight Assignment tool!

  The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score on.

  I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then be amended manually if required.

  My notes will probably ask for some sort of 'Select Competitors' window with a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

    FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards must be in the finals and I have coded the rest of 025.  Testing in the next few days.  Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** Ralph Tingle
Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus :wink:

      Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing v1.93Sat (& writing the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

      Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so now is the time to test.

      Thought you might like to know, to save you or others doing the same thing.

      Trying to get it finished in the next week or so before my busy time starts

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]

        Hi Colin,

        When scoring a series with flights you use             "number of boats in the biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N".

Possible?

        Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

14

Hi Anders, do you still need this?

Colin

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it “number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N”.

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

15

O YES! Indeed I do…

Regards

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Anders Landenstad Svensk
Juniorsegling

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: den 21 juni 2006 09:31
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders, do you still need this?

Colin

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anders
Landenstad
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When
scoring a series with flights you use “number
of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging
diffrerent series with I would like to have it "number of boats in the
biggest start in this race

  • N".

Possible?

Med
vänlig hälsning/Regards

Anders Landenstad Svensk Juniorsegling

16

Anders, done and available in 1.94 Build 16 which it on the website. Seems OK but check carefully.

Regards,
Colin Jenkins

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]

Hi Colin,

When scoring a series with flights you use “number of boats in the biggest start + N” for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series with I would like to have it “number of boats in the biggest start in this race + N”.

Possible?

Med vänlig hälsning/Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling