Time adjustment

Imported from Yahoo
1

Jon,

I know this is already on your development wish list, but before it gets swept too far back, I'd like to make a more specific, short-term request...

As elaborated in other replies, the Accumulated Elapsed Time function is a viable workaround for making (and publishing) elapsed time adjustments, except for one thing: there is no provision to enter "negative time" in order to issue an elapsed time credit (for RDG, etc.) If you simply add a minus sign ahead of the time entry, SW ignores it and treats the time entry as a positive. I don't know the difficulties created by allowing negative time entries, but an alternative could be a separate option under Recorded Result for time credits.

Thanks for your consideration,
Kett Cummins

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale wrote:

OK Mark,

You have convinced me on the easy creation of Aliases
If I add a new item to the Edit menu (if the Alias option is enabled) that
gives New Alias and then displays the box similar to the delete competitor

So in operation you would sort you competitor on the field or 2 fields that
you want then select this option
Highlight the competitors that you want to make aliases for (I might try
and implement the Shift click to select a range as well) then all the
selected ones will have an Alias created for them.

My first thought would be to not display any Aliases in the selection list
so when you create an Alias it is always from the Master. That makes the
selection list easier and probably less confusing than allowing Aliases of
Aliases.

That shouldn't be too difficult

The Time correction I will also do but that might take a bit longer and do
you agree it needs both Elapsed and corrected time options?

Jon

On 30 November 2012 14:02, Mark Townsend wrote:

  **

  Jon,

  Here are a few items that I have had on my wish list for some time.

  1) Ability to add a time penalty instead of a points penalty with a letter
  score. In distance racing when a boat is OCS it is common to give a boat an
  elapsed time penalty of some number of minutes instead of points equal to
  one more than the number of starters. Also part two penalties tend to be
  time based rather than points based.

  2) Ability to select competitors with like characteristics and create an
  alias fleet. Setting up individual aliases is relatively simple, however it
  is tedious to create dozens of aliases and combine them into multiple
  sub-fleets. There are several use cases for this feature.
  A) if you have a single start for a fleet of Optimists and want to score
  red, white, blue and green competitors, as well as girls and boys
  separately you can create alias sub-fleets for red, white, blue and green
  competitors, a girls sub-fleet, a boys sub-fleet. Thi s is possible today
  but very tedious as in a 40 boat fleet you would need to create 80 aliases
  B) Distance races often score boats using multiple different rating
  systems PHRF, IRC, ORR as well as first to finish. Each handicap scheme
  will result in different finish orders so they need to be calculated and
  displayed as separate fleets; PHRF, IRC, ORR, Elapsed.

  ------------------------------
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  From: jon@...
  Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:55:50 +0000

  Subject: Re: [sailwave] Time adjustment

   OK Thanks,

  Having decided that there could be a use for it now to decide whether its
  worth the effort or if there are work arounds for the few cases, or is it a
  common case?

  I quess if I were to implement it, it would mean two more scoring code
  Methods. One for actual elapsed time adjustment and one for corrected time
  adjustment. You would create a new scoring code with this method and when
  you entered this code you would be prompted to enter the time adjustment.
   Then there are the problems of how you publish the information. Possible
  but not a quick job.

  Need to decide what gets done next

  My List this week looks like

  Changes to Sail No Wizard Done
  Extra / Alternative Sail no Done
  Team Scoring by Position
   as well as points Done in 2.7.1 only
  released to a few for testing.
  Entry of Elapsed Time without ":" To be considered
  Publish Starts in separate columns
  When Merging - Merge ratings
  Integrate my other programs tightly with Sailwave
  Competitor Database
  Remote scoring

  Some of those are big ones some are easier - any strong opinions on what I
  work on this weekend?

  Jon

  On 30 November 2012 08:27, Patricia Butterfield wrote:

  **

  The display of the flag can be late hence time redress

  Sent from my Windows Phone
   ------------------------------
  From: yahoo@...
  Sent: 29/11/2012 22:20
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [sailwave] Time adjustment

    It could be either I. Am thinking of at a redress hearing. It could
  only be in timed races. This is valid for redress standing by a disabled
  boat or incorrect ocs. Could have a universal benefit.

    Curious how you can be incorrectly OCS. Either you are OCS or not. If
  you think you are OCS and come back following display of X flag and you
  weren't that's your fault?

  --
  Jon Eskdale
  07976 709777
  Skype "eskdale"

--
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"

2

Hi Kett,

Have you actually got a sample of a file where you have used the accumulated Elapsed Time. I played around with one of my files but really didn’t get a satisfactory result.

I was trying to do it with the main results entered as actual times and in the dummy race entering a time penalty in elapsed. It seemed to rather confuse Sailwave. The - sign is taken as a separator which confused sailwave even more as I was then mixing separators.

Ideally you need to have an adjustment time plus or minus for each race for each competitor - Correct?

Please convince me that its as easy as allowing the negative sign

Jon

···

On 18 December 2012 14:50, kett63 kett@cumminsnola.com wrote:

Jon,

I know this is already on your development wish list, but before it gets swept too far back, I’d like to make a more specific, short-term request…

As elaborated in other replies, the Accumulated Elapsed Time function is a viable workaround for making (and publishing) elapsed time adjustments, except for one thing: there is no provision to enter “negative time” in order to issue an elapsed time credit (for RDG, etc.) If you simply add a minus sign ahead of the time entry, SW ignores it and treats the time entry as a positive. I don’t know the difficulties created by allowing negative time entries, but an alternative could be a separate option under Recorded Result for time credits.

Thanks for your consideration,
Kett Cummins

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale wrote:

OK Mark,

You have convinced me on the easy creation of Aliases
If I add a new item to the Edit menu (if the Alias option is enabled) that
gives New Alias and then displays the box similar to the delete competitor

So in operation you would sort you competitor on the field or 2 fields that
you want then select this option
Highlight the competitors that you want to make aliases for (I might try
and implement the Shift click to select a range as well) then all the
selected ones will have an Alias created for them.

My first thought would be to not display any Aliases in the selection list
so when you create an Alias it is always from the Master. That makes the
selection list easier and probably less confusing than allowing Aliases of
Aliases.

That shouldn’t be too difficult

The Time correction I will also do but that might take a bit longer and do
you agree it needs both Elapsed and corrected time options?

Jon

On 30 November 2012 14:02, Mark Townsend wrote:

**

Jon,

Here are a few items that I have had on my wish list for some time.

  1. Ability to add a time penalty instead of a points penalty with a letter
    score. In distance racing when a boat is OCS it is common to give a boat an
    elapsed time penalty of some number of minutes instead of points equal to
    one more than the number of starters. Also part two penalties tend to be
    time based rather than points based.

  2. Ability to select competitors with like characteristics and create an
    alias fleet. Setting up individual aliases is relatively simple, however it
    is tedious to create dozens of aliases and combine them into multiple
    sub-fleets. There are several use cases for this feature.
    A) if you have a single start for a fleet of Optimists and want to score
    red, white, blue and green competitors, as well as girls and boys
    separately you can create alias sub-fleets for red, white, blue and green
    competitors, a girls sub-fleet, a boys sub-fleet. Thi s is possible today
    but very tedious as in a 40 boat fleet you would need to create 80 aliases
    B) Distance races often score boats using multiple different rating
    systems PHRF, IRC, ORR as well as first to finish. Each handicap scheme
    will result in different finish orders so they need to be calculated and
    displayed as separate fleets; PHRF, IRC, ORR, Elapsed.

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: jon@…
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:55:50 +0000

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Time adjustment

OK Thanks,

Having decided that there could be a use for it now to decide whether its
worth the effort or if there are work arounds for the few cases, or is it a
common case?

I quess if I were to implement it, it would mean two more scoring code
Methods. One for actual elapsed time adjustment and one for corrected time
adjustment. You would create a new scoring code with this method and when
you entered this code you would be prompted to enter the time adjustment.
Then there are the problems of how you publish the information. Possible
but not a quick job.

Need to decide what gets done next

My List this week looks like

Changes to Sail No Wizard Done
Extra / Alternative Sail no Done
Team Scoring by Position
as well as points Done in 2.7.1 only
released to a few for testing.
Entry of Elapsed Time without “:” To be considered
Publish Starts in separate columns
When Merging - Merge ratings
Integrate my other programs tightly with Sailwave
Competitor Database
Remote scoring

Some of those are big ones some are easier - any strong opinions on what I
work on this weekend?

Jon

On 30 November 2012 08:27, Patricia Butterfield wrote:

**

The display of the flag can be late hence time redress

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: yahoo@…
Sent: 29/11/2012 22:20
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Time adjustment

It could be either I. Am thinking of at a redress hearing. It could

only be in timed races. This is valid for redress standing by a disabled
boat or incorrect ocs. Could have a universal benefit.

Curious how you can be incorrectly OCS. Either you are OCS or not. If

you think you are OCS and come back following display of X flag and you
weren’t that’s your fault?

–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”

–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”

–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

3

Well, no, the more I tho't about it, I realized that simply "allowing a minus sign" in the Elapsed time field is probably NOT a good idea - so maybe there is no quick fix! A better solution might be to create a new type of column or race/start setting with a few unique characteristics...

1) Obviously, it would have to accept zero and negative time entries. Instead of a minus sign, there could be a check box for a negative "Time credit". Added (positive) time adjustments would be entered in the standard way.

2) Zero time should be the default, instead of "DNC", for boats that have no time adjustment. Currently, a DNC result overrides the time accumulation function. In fact, there's no need for this column to accept scoring codes at all.

3) It would always be discarded, because it is always to be accumulated into a subsequent race column. I would also suggest an "Always discard this start" option in the Edit Start dialog. Using "Discard me first" and adjusting the number of discards does the same thing, but in a less intuitive way.

4) It would need to be able to be specified, like a race, in the "Accumulated elapsed time" list field.

These features should accommodate all of the adjustments we've discussed.

Kett

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:

Hi Kett,

Have you actually got a sample of a file where you have used the
accumulated Elapsed Time. I played around with one of my files but really
didn't get a satisfactory result.

I was trying to do it with the main results entered as actual times and in
the dummy race entering a time penalty in elapsed. It seemed to rather
confuse Sailwave. The - sign is taken as a separator which confused
sailwave even more as I was then mixing separators.

Ideally you need to have an adjustment time plus or minus for each race for
each competitor - Correct?

Please convince me that its as easy as allowing the negative sign

Jon

On 18 December 2012 14:50, kett63 <kett@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I know this is already on your development wish list, but before it gets
> swept too far back, I'd like to make a more specific, short-term request...
>
> As elaborated in other replies, the Accumulated Elapsed Time function is a
> viable workaround for making (and publishing) elapsed time adjustments,
> except for one thing: there is no provision to enter "negative time" in
> order to issue an elapsed time credit (for RDG, etc.) If you simply add a
> minus sign ahead of the time entry, SW ignores it and treats the time entry
> as a positive. I don't know the difficulties created by allowing negative
> time entries, but an alternative could be a separate option under Recorded
> Result for time credits.
>
> Thanks for your consideration,
> Kett Cummins
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale wrote:
>
> OK Mark,
>
> You have convinced me on the easy creation of Aliases
> If I add a new item to the Edit menu (if the Alias option is enabled) that
> gives New Alias and then displays the box similar to the delete competitor
>
> So in operation you would sort you competitor on the field or 2 fields that
> you want then select this option
> Highlight the competitors that you want to make aliases for (I might try
> and implement the Shift click to select a range as well) then all the
> selected ones will have an Alias created for them.
>
> My first thought would be to not display any Aliases in the selection list
> so when you create an Alias it is always from the Master. That makes the
> selection list easier and probably less confusing than allowing Aliases of
> Aliases.
>
> That shouldn't be too difficult
>
> The Time correction I will also do but that might take a bit longer and do
> you agree it needs both Elapsed and corrected time options?
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 30 November 2012 14:02, Mark Townsend wrote:
>
> **
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Here are a few items that I have had on my wish list for some time.
>
> 1) Ability to add a time penalty instead of a points penalty with a letter
> score. In distance racing when a boat is OCS it is common to give a boat an
> elapsed time penalty of some number of minutes instead of points equal to
> one more than the number of starters. Also part two penalties tend to be
> time based rather than points based.
>
> 2) Ability to select competitors with like characteristics and create an
> alias fleet. Setting up individual aliases is relatively simple, however it
> is tedious to create dozens of aliases and combine them into multiple
> sub-fleets. There are several use cases for this feature.
> A) if you have a single start for a fleet of Optimists and want to score
> red, white, blue and green competitors, as well as girls and boys
> separately you can create alias sub-fleets for red, white, blue and green
> competitors, a girls sub-fleet, a boys sub-fleet. Thi s is possible today
> but very tedious as in a 40 boat fleet you would need to create 80 aliases
> B) Distance races often score boats using multiple different rating
> systems PHRF, IRC, ORR as well as first to finish. Each handicap scheme
> will result in different finish orders so they need to be calculated and
> displayed as separate fleets; PHRF, IRC, ORR, Elapsed.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> From: jon@
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:55:50 +0000
>
> Subject: Re: [sailwave] Time adjustment
>
>
> OK Thanks,
>
> Having decided that there could be a use for it now to decide whether its
> worth the effort or if there are work arounds for the few cases, or is it a
> common case?
>
> I quess if I were to implement it, it would mean two more scoring code
> Methods. One for actual elapsed time adjustment and one for corrected time
> adjustment. You would create a new scoring code with this method and when
> you entered this code you would be prompted to enter the time adjustment.
> Then there are the problems of how you publish the information. Possible
> but not a quick job.
>
> Need to decide what gets done next
>
> My List this week looks like
>
> Changes to Sail No Wizard Done
> Extra / Alternative Sail no Done
> Team Scoring by Position
> as well as points Done in 2.7.1 only
> released to a few for testing.
> Entry of Elapsed Time without ":" To be considered
> Publish Starts in separate columns
> When Merging - Merge ratings
> Integrate my other programs tightly with Sailwave
> Competitor Database
> Remote scoring
>
> Some of those are big ones some are easier - any strong opinions on what I
> work on this weekend?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On 30 November 2012 08:27, Patricia Butterfield wrote:
>
> **
>
>
>
> The display of the flag can be late hence time redress
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ------------------------------
> From: yahoo@
> Sent: 29/11/2012 22:20
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] Time adjustment
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It could be either I. Am thinking of at a redress hearing. It could
> only be in timed races. This is valid for redress standing by a disabled
> boat or incorrect ocs. Could have a universal benefit.
>
>
> Curious how you can be incorrectly OCS. Either you are OCS or not. If
> you think you are OCS and come back following display of X flag and you
> weren't that's your fault?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Eskdale
> 07976 709777
> Skype "eskdale"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Eskdale
> 07976 709777
> Skype "eskdale"
>
>
>

--
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"

4

Thanks Kett,

I think the way to do it is to have a scoring code something like RDG. RDG allows you to enter a manual points. For the want of a better code lets just say ADJ. This would then allow a time adjustment you then enter a plus or minus time which would be added or subtracted from the elapsed time.

Think that would work and be easy enough to use

Jon

···

On 19 December 2012 17:28, kett63 kett@cumminsnola.com wrote:

Well, no, the more I tho’t about it, I realized that simply “allowing a minus sign” in the Elapsed time field is probably NOT a good idea - so maybe there is no quick fix! A better solution might be to create a new type of column or race/start setting with a few unique characteristics…

  1. Obviously, it would have to accept zero and negative time entries. Instead of a minus sign, there could be a check box for a negative “Time credit”. Added (positive) time adjustments would be entered in the standard way.

  2. Zero time should be the default, instead of “DNC”, for boats that have no time adjustment. Currently, a DNC result overrides the time accumulation function. In fact, there’s no need for this column to accept scoring codes at all.

  3. It would always be discarded, because it is always to be accumulated into a subsequent race column. I would also suggest an “Always discard this start” option in the Edit Start dialog. Using “Discard me first” and adjusting the number of discards does the same thing, but in a less intuitive way.

  4. It would need to be able to be specified, like a race, in the “Accumulated elapsed time” list field.

These features should accommodate all of the adjustments we’ve discussed.

Kett

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:

Hi Kett,

Have you actually got a sample of a file where you have used the

accumulated Elapsed Time. I played around with one of my files but really

didn’t get a satisfactory result.

I was trying to do it with the main results entered as actual times and in

the dummy race entering a time penalty in elapsed. It seemed to rather

confuse Sailwave. The - sign is taken as a separator which confused

sailwave even more as I was then mixing separators.

Ideally you need to have an adjustment time plus or minus for each race for

each competitor - Correct?

Please convince me that its as easy as allowing the negative sign

Jon

On 18 December 2012 14:50, kett63 <kett@…> wrote:

**

Jon,

I know this is already on your development wish list, but before it gets

swept too far back, I’d like to make a more specific, short-term request…

As elaborated in other replies, the Accumulated Elapsed Time function is a

viable workaround for making (and publishing) elapsed time adjustments,

except for one thing: there is no provision to enter “negative time” in

order to issue an elapsed time credit (for RDG, etc.) If you simply add a

minus sign ahead of the time entry, SW ignores it and treats the time entry

as a positive. I don’t know the difficulties created by allowing negative

time entries, but an alternative could be a separate option under Recorded

Result for time credits.

Thanks for your consideration,

Kett Cummins

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale wrote:

OK Mark,

You have convinced me on the easy creation of Aliases

If I add a new item to the Edit menu (if the Alias option is enabled) that

gives New Alias and then displays the box similar to the delete competitor

So in operation you would sort you competitor on the field or 2 fields that

you want then select this option

Highlight the competitors that you want to make aliases for (I might try

and implement the Shift click to select a range as well) then all the

selected ones will have an Alias created for them.

My first thought would be to not display any Aliases in the selection list

so when you create an Alias it is always from the Master. That makes the

selection list easier and probably less confusing than allowing Aliases of

Aliases.

That shouldn’t be too difficult

The Time correction I will also do but that might take a bit longer and do

you agree it needs both Elapsed and corrected time options?

Jon

On 30 November 2012 14:02, Mark Townsend wrote:

**

Jon,

Here are a few items that I have had on my wish list for some time.

  1. Ability to add a time penalty instead of a points penalty with a letter

score. In distance racing when a boat is OCS it is common to give a boat an

elapsed time penalty of some number of minutes instead of points equal to

one more than the number of starters. Also part two penalties tend to be

time based rather than points based.

  1. Ability to select competitors with like characteristics and create an

alias fleet. Setting up individual aliases is relatively simple, however it

is tedious to create dozens of aliases and combine them into multiple

sub-fleets. There are several use cases for this feature.

A) if you have a single start for a fleet of Optimists and want to score

red, white, blue and green competitors, as well as girls and boys

separately you can create alias sub-fleets for red, white, blue and green

competitors, a girls sub-fleet, a boys sub-fleet. Thi s is possible today

but very tedious as in a 40 boat fleet you would need to create 80 aliases

B) Distance races often score boats using multiple different rating

systems PHRF, IRC, ORR as well as first to finish. Each handicap scheme

will result in different finish orders so they need to be calculated and

displayed as separate fleets; PHRF, IRC, ORR, Elapsed.

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

From: jon@

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:55:50 +0000

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Time adjustment

OK Thanks,

Having decided that there could be a use for it now to decide whether its

worth the effort or if there are work arounds for the few cases, or is it a

common case?

I quess if I were to implement it, it would mean two more scoring code

Methods. One for actual elapsed time adjustment and one for corrected time

adjustment. You would create a new scoring code with this method and when

you entered this code you would be prompted to enter the time adjustment.

Then there are the problems of how you publish the information. Possible

but not a quick job.

Need to decide what gets done next

My List this week looks like

Changes to Sail No Wizard Done

Extra / Alternative Sail no Done

Team Scoring by Position

as well as points Done in 2.7.1 only

released to a few for testing.

Entry of Elapsed Time without “:” To be considered

Publish Starts in separate columns

When Merging - Merge ratings

Integrate my other programs tightly with Sailwave

Competitor Database

Remote scoring

Some of those are big ones some are easier - any strong opinions on what I

work on this weekend?

Jon

On 30 November 2012 08:27, Patricia Butterfield wrote:

**

The display of the flag can be late hence time redress

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: yahoo@

Sent: 29/11/2012 22:20

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Time adjustment

It could be either I. Am thinking of at a redress hearing. It could

only be in timed races. This is valid for redress standing by a disabled

boat or incorrect ocs. Could have a universal benefit.

Curious how you can be incorrectly OCS. Either you are OCS or not. If

you think you are OCS and come back following display of X flag and you

weren’t that’s your fault?

–

Jon Eskdale

07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

–

Jon Eskdale

07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

–

Jon Eskdale

07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

5

Hi Jon & Kett,

I support scoring code RDG, which is enhanced to allow a time

adjustment. A time adjustment will be awarded, in my view by a
Protest Committee/Jury, so my preference would be RDG; as a form of
redress has been given.

I appreciate that this dialogue has been primarily about long

distance races but I have had a time adjustment awarded in a dinghy
race in the past; handicap race when a competitor stood by another
boat in trouble until safety/patrol boat arrived.

I suspect that applying time adjustment to the elapsed time will be

easiest to implement. Applying a time correction based on times of
other boats would I think be more difficult, as outlined in earlier
post in this thread:

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com* ,
“andrewcburnard” wrote:* > * > Well the Great Texas 300 is finished and
I was able to use Sailwave to score the event,
thanks Colin and others for the help. Results
are posted at* http://www.gt300.com/Home/race-results-2010 > * > I forgot about time corrections on
corrected times yikes! how did I forget about
that!! eg DNS is +04:00:00 on largest finisher
corrected time for that leg. I had to set up a
Excel worksheet to calculate the additional
elapsed time required to adjust the corrected
time to reflect a 4 hour penalty.* > * > Other time corrections are DNF +02:00:00,
OCS +00:10:00 and redress for assisting
another team.* > > * > Now I’m home after a week on the road and
have had a chance to look through help. Let me
know if this can be done in Sailwave because I
could not find it.* > > thanks again > > Andrew > >
Kind regards,

Huw
···

<andrewcburnard@…>www.gt300.com
On 19/12/2012 17:42, Jon Eskdale wrote:

Thanks Kett,

            I think the way to do it is to have a scoring code

something like RDG. �RDG allows you to enter a manual
points. �For the want of a better code lets just say
ADJ. �This would then allow a time adjustment you then
enter a plus or minus time which would be added or
subtracted from the elapsed time.

Think that would work and be easy enough to use

Jon

On 19 December 2012 17:28, kett63 kett@cumminsnola.com
wrote:

�

                        Well, no, the more I tho't about it, I

realized that simply “allowing a minus sign”
in the Elapsed time field is probably NOT a
good idea - so maybe there is no quick fix!
A better solution might be to create a new
type of column or race/start setting with a
few unique characteristics…

                        1) Obviously, it would have to accept zero

and negative time entries. Instead of a
minus sign, there could be a check box for a
negative “Time credit”. Added (positive)
time adjustments would be entered in the
standard way.

                        2) Zero time should be the default, instead

of “DNC”, for boats that have no time
adjustment. Currently, a DNC result
overrides the time accumulation function. In
fact, there’s no need for this column to
accept scoring codes at all.

                        3) It would always be discarded, because it

is always to be accumulated into a
subsequent race column. I would also suggest
an “Always discard this start” option in the
Edit Start dialog. Using “Discard me first”
and adjusting the number of discards does
the same thing, but in a less intuitive way.

                        4) It would need to be able to be specified,

like a race, in the “Accumulated elapsed
time” list field.

                        These features should accommodate all of the

adjustments we’ve discussed.

                        Kett

                        --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com                            ,

Jon Eskdale wrote:

Hi Kett,

Have you actually got a sample of a
file where you have used the
accumulated Elapsed Time. I played
around with one of my files but really
didn’t get a satisfactory result.

I was trying to do it with the main
results entered as actual times and in
the dummy race entering a time penalty
in elapsed. It seemed to rather
confuse Sailwave. The - sign is taken
as a separator which confused
sailwave even more as I was then mixing
separators.

Ideally you need to have an adjustment
time plus or minus for each race for
each competitor - Correct?

Please convince me that its as easy as
allowing the negative sign

Jon

                       > On 18 December 2012 14:50, kett63

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<kett@…>

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > Jon,

                          > >

                          > > I know this is already on your

development wish list, but before it gets

                          > > swept too far back, I'd like to

make a more specific, short-term
request…

                          > >

                          > > As elaborated in other replies,

the Accumulated Elapsed Time function is a

                          > > viable workaround for making

(and publishing) elapsed time adjustments,

                          > > except for one thing: there is

no provision to enter “negative time” in

                          > > order to issue an elapsed time

credit (for RDG, etc.) If you simply add a

                          > > minus sign ahead of the time

entry, SW ignores it and treats the time
entry

                          > > as a positive. I don't know the

difficulties created by allowing negative

                          > > time entries, but an alternative

could be a separate option under Recorded

                          > > Result for time credits.

                          > >

                          > > Thanks for your consideration,

                          > > Kett Cummins

                          > >

                          > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com                              ,

Jon Eskdale wrote:

                          > >

                          > > OK Mark,

                          > >

                          > > You have convinced me on the

easy creation of Aliases

                          > > If I add a new item to the Edit

menu (if the Alias option is enabled) that

                          > > gives New Alias and then

displays the box similar to the delete
competitor

                          > >

                          > > So in operation you would sort

you competitor on the field or 2 fields
that

                          > > you want then select this option

                          > > Highlight the competitors that

you want to make aliases for (I might try

                          > > and implement the Shift click to

select a range as well) then all the

                          > > selected ones will have an Alias

created for them.

                          > >

                          > > My first thought would be to not

display any Aliases in the selection list

                          > > so when you create an Alias it

is always from the Master. That makes the

                          > > selection list easier and

probably less confusing than allowing
Aliases of

                          > > Aliases.

                          > >

                          > > That shouldn't be too difficult

                          > >

                          > > The Time correction I will also

do but that might take a bit longer and do

                          > > you agree it needs both Elapsed

and corrected time options?

                          > >

                          > > Jon

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > On 30 November 2012 14:02, Mark

Townsend wrote:

                          > >

                          > > **

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > Jon,

                          > >

                          > > Here are a few items that I have

had on my wish list for some time.

                          > >

                          > > 1) Ability to add a time penalty

instead of a points penalty with a letter

                          > > score. In distance racing when a

boat is OCS it is common to give a boat an

                          > > elapsed time penalty of some

number of minutes instead of points equal
to

                          > > one more than the number of

starters. Also part two penalties tend to
be

                          > > time based rather than points

based.

                          > >

                          > > 2) Ability to select competitors

with like characteristics and create an

                          > > alias fleet. Setting up

individual aliases is relatively simple,
however it

                          > > is tedious to create dozens of

aliases and combine them into multiple

                          > > sub-fleets. There are several

use cases for this feature.

                          > > A) if you have a single start

for a fleet of Optimists and want to score

                          > > red, white, blue and green

competitors, as well as girls and boys

                          > > separately you can create alias

sub-fleets for red, white, blue and green

                          > > competitors, a girls sub-fleet,

a boys sub-fleet. Thi s is possible today

                          > > but very tedious as in a 40 boat

fleet you would need to create 80 aliases

                          > > B) Distance races often score

boats using multiple different rating

                          > > systems PHRF, IRC, ORR as well

as first to finish. Each handicap scheme

                          > > will result in different finish

orders so they need to be calculated and

                          > > displayed as separate fleets;

PHRF, IRC, ORR, Elapsed.

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > ------------------------------

                          > > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

                          > > From: jon@

                          > > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:55:50

+0000

                          > >

                          > > Subject: Re: [sailwave] Time

adjustment

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > OK Thanks,

                          > >

                          > > Having decided that there could

be a use for it now to decide whether its

                          > > worth the effort or if there are

work arounds for the few cases, or is it a

                          > > common case?

                          > >

                          > > I quess if I were to implement

it, it would mean two more scoring code

                          > > Methods. One for actual elapsed

time adjustment and one for corrected time

                          > > adjustment. You would create a

new scoring code with this method and when

                          > > you entered this code you would

be prompted to enter the time adjustment.

                          > > Then there are the problems of

how you publish the information. Possible

                          > > but not a quick job.

                          > >

                          > > Need to decide what gets done

next

                          > >

                          > > My List this week looks like

                          > >

                          > > Changes to Sail No Wizard Done

                          > > Extra / Alternative Sail no Done

                          > > Team Scoring by Position

                          > > as well as points Done in 2.7.1

only

                          > > released to a few for testing.

                          > > Entry of Elapsed Time without

“:” To be considered

                          > > Publish Starts in separate

columns

                          > > When Merging - Merge ratings

                          > > Integrate my other programs

tightly with Sailwave

                          > > Competitor Database

                          > > Remote scoring

                          > >

                          > > Some of those are big ones some

are easier - any strong opinions on what I

                          > > work on this weekend?

                          > >

                          > > Jon

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > On 30 November 2012 08:27,

Patricia Butterfield wrote:

                          > >

                          > > **

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > The display of the flag can be

late hence time redress

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > Sent from my Windows Phone

                          > > ------------------------------

                          > > From: yahoo@

Sent: 29/11/2012 22:20

                          > > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

                          > > Subject: RE: [sailwave] Time

adjustment

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > It could be either I. Am

thinking of at a redress hearing. It could

                          > > only be in timed races. This is

valid for redress standing by a disabled

                          > > boat or incorrect ocs. Could

have a universal benefit.

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > Curious how you can be

incorrectly OCS. Either you are OCS or
not. If

                          > > you think you are OCS and come

back following display of X flag and you

                          > > weren't that's your fault?

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

                          > >

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                          > >

                          > >

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                          > > Skype "eskdale"

                          > >

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