TOT scoring

I have an issue with Time on Time PHRF. I have an instance where I
use sailwave and the results score the boat 2nd by 29 seconds and in
a straight excel(provided by PRO) spreadsheet they are first. June
first of the B fleet.

http://www.sailpsa.org/images/stories/Racing%20Results%
202006/tuesday2006.htm

Start 18:00
1 B_Division_1 Razmataz 1248 282 19:20:05 1:14:32 0:58:14 1
2 B_Division_1 Mach II 120 174 19:09:57 1:05:24 0:58:43 2

This is from the excel TCF=650/(550+PHRH Rating)

Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
  ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected Corrected
Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:04:57 0.045104167
  64.950 58.311 58.311
Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:05 0.052141204
  75.083 58.659 58.659

I have left in the sailwave defalts

I could send you the spread sheet if that would be helpful.

I am not surprised the results in sailwave and Excel are different, they show different elapsed times to start with, despite Start time given as 18.00.00 the second example suggests it was 18.05.00, and the first example it was either 18.05.33 or 18.04.33 dependant on which boat you are considering, or did they start a minute apart? A simple mathmatical error, or maybe finget trouble in entering elapsed times? Use the same elapsed time in both methods, and I suspect they will give the same answer
Regards
John.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ttarb2408" <ttarbell@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: [sailwave] TOT scoring

I have an issue with Time on Time PHRF. I have an instance where I
use sailwave and the results score the boat 2nd by 29 seconds and in
a straight excel(provided by PRO) spreadsheet they are first. June
first of the B fleet.

http://www.sailpsa.org/images/stories/Racing%20Results%
202006/tuesday2006.htm

Start 18:00
1 B_Division_1 Razmataz 1248 282 19:20:05 1:14:32 0:58:14 1
2 B_Division_1 Mach II 120 174 19:09:57 1:05:24 0:58:43 2

This is from the excel TCF=650/(550+PHRH Rating)

Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected Corrected
Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:04:57 0.045104167
64.950 58.311 58.311
Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:05 0.052141204
75.083 58.659 58.659

I have left in the sailwave defalts

I could send you the spread sheet if that would be helpful.

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Thank you for pointing that out, however. I did change it and this
is what I got, it narrowed but it is still 29 seconds off. Somehow
the elapsed times are not calculating the same.

Start time was 18:04.33 both boats.
Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
  ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected
Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:05:24 0.045416667
  65.400 58.715
Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:32 0.052453704
  75.533 59.010
excel elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:15:32

in sailwave elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:14:32

I am not surprised the results in sailwave and Excel are

different, they

show different elapsed times to start with, despite Start time

given as

18.00.00 the second example suggests it was 18.05.00, and the

first example

it was either 18.05.33 or 18.04.33 dependant on which boat you are
considering, or did they start a minute apart? A simple

mathmatical error,

or maybe finget trouble in entering elapsed times? Use the same

elapsed time

in both methods, and I suspect they will give the same answer
Regards
John.

From: "ttarb2408" <ttarbell@...>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: [sailwave] TOT scoring

>I have an issue with Time on Time PHRF. I have an instance where

I

> use sailwave and the results score the boat 2nd by 29 seconds

and in

> a straight excel(provided by PRO) spreadsheet they are first.

June

> first of the B fleet.
>
> http://www.sailpsa.org/images/stories/Racing%20Results%
> 202006/tuesday2006.htm
>
> Start 18:00
> 1 B_Division_1 Razmataz 1248 282 19:20:05 1:14:32 0:58:14

1

> 2 B_Division_1 Mach II 120 174 19:09:57 1:05:24 0:58:43

2

>
> This is from the excel TCF=650/(550+PHRH Rating)
>
> Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
> ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected Corrected
> Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:04:57 0.045104167
> 64.950 58.311 58.311
> Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:05 0.052141204
> 75.083 58.659 58.659
>
> I have left in the sailwave defalts
>
> I could send you the spread sheet if that would be helpful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -!- http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/ -!-

http://www.sailing.org/ -!-

> http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-
>
> Latest versions of sailwave can be downloaded from the 'files'

section at

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My version of sailwave (fairly old) works out the elapsed times correctly, so have to assume it is an issue with he version you are using, Let Colin know, together with version details
Regards
John

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ttarb2408" <ttarbell@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: TOT scoring

Thank you for pointing that out, however. I did change it and this
is what I got, it narrowed but it is still 29 seconds off. Somehow
the elapsed times are not calculating the same.

Start time was 18:04.33 both boats.
Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected
Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:05:24 0.045416667
65.400 58.715
Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:32 0.052453704
75.533 59.010
excel elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:15:32

in sailwave elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:14:32

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "John Selby" <john@...> wrote:

I am not surprised the results in sailwave and Excel are

different, they

show different elapsed times to start with, despite Start time

given as

18.00.00 the second example suggests it was 18.05.00, and the

first example

it was either 18.05.33 or 18.04.33 dependant on which boat you are
considering, or did they start a minute apart? A simple

mathmatical error,

or maybe finget trouble in entering elapsed times? Use the same

elapsed time

in both methods, and I suspect they will give the same answer
Regards
John.

----- Original Message ----- From: "ttarb2408" <ttarbell@...>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: [sailwave] TOT scoring

>I have an issue with Time on Time PHRF. I have an instance where

I

> use sailwave and the results score the boat 2nd by 29 seconds

and in

> a straight excel(provided by PRO) spreadsheet they are first.

June

> first of the B fleet.
>
> http://www.sailpsa.org/images/stories/Racing%20Results%
> 202006/tuesday2006.htm
>
> Start 18:00
> 1 B_Division_1 Razmataz 1248 282 19:20:05 1:14:32 0:58:14

1

> 2 B_Division_1 Mach II 120 174 19:09:57 1:05:24 0:58:43

2

>
> This is from the excel TCF=650/(550+PHRH Rating)
>
> Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
> ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected Corrected
> Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:04:57 0.045104167
> 64.950 58.311 58.311
> Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:05 0.052141204
> 75.083 58.659 58.659
>
> I have left in the sailwave defalts
>
> I could send you the spread sheet if that would be helpful.
>
> -!- http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/ -!-

http://www.sailing.org/ -!-

> http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-
>
> Latest versions of sailwave can be downloaded from the 'files'

section at

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/
>
> On-Line Sailwave help...
> http://sailwave.com/help/HTML/
>
> Convert to daily digest of emails send blank email to:
> sailwave-digest@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Hi,

Sailwave is 1:15:32 too. I suspect you've hit a long standing gripe that if
you change the start time *in a start* it does not propagate to the results
themselves. There is a good reason for this, but I do need to do something
about it.

Double-click on the race cells themselves and make sure the start times are
correct. I suspect they are not...

I'll sort something out about the propagation 'cos it's gone on long
enough...

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of ttarb2408
Sent: 21 June 2006 23:02
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: TOT scoring

Thank you for pointing that out, however. I did change it and this
is what I got, it narrowed but it is still 29 seconds off. Somehow
the elapsed times are not calculating the same.

Start time was 18:04.33 both boats.
Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
  ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected
Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:05:24 0.045416667
  65.400 58.715
Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:32 0.052453704
  75.533 59.010
excel elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:15:32

in sailwave elapsed time
18:04:33 19:09:57 =1:05:24
18:04:33 19:20:05 =1:14:32

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "John Selby" <john@...> wrote:

I am not surprised the results in sailwave and Excel are

different, they

show different elapsed times to start with, despite Start time

given as

18.00.00 the second example suggests it was 18.05.00, and the

first example

it was either 18.05.33 or 18.04.33 dependant on which boat you are
considering, or did they start a minute apart? A simple

mathmatical error,

or maybe finget trouble in entering elapsed times? Use the same

elapsed time

in both methods, and I suspect they will give the same answer
Regards
John.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ttarb2408" <ttarbell@...>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: [sailwave] TOT scoring

>I have an issue with Time on Time PHRF. I have an instance where

I

> use sailwave and the results score the boat 2nd by 29 seconds

and in

> a straight excel(provided by PRO) spreadsheet they are first.

June

> first of the B fleet.
>
> http://www.sailpsa.org/images/stories/Racing%20Results%
> 202006/tuesday2006.htm
>
> Start 18:00
> 1 B_Division_1 Razmataz 1248 282 19:20:05 1:14:32 0:58:14

1

> 2 B_Division_1 Mach II 120 174 19:09:57 1:05:24 0:58:43

2

>
> This is from the excel TCF=650/(550+PHRH Rating)
>
> Boat Name PHRH Rating TCF Finish Time ELPS HH:MM:SS
> ELPS min/24hr time_min_sec Corrected Corrected
> Mach II 174 0.897790055 19:09:57 1:04:57 0.045104167
> 64.950 58.311 58.311
> Razmataz 282 0.78125 19:20:05 1:15:05 0.052141204
> 75.083 58.659 58.659
>
> I have left in the sailwave defalts
>
> I could send you the spread sheet if that would be helpful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -!- http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/ -!-

http://www.sailing.org/ -!-

> http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-
>
> Latest versions of sailwave can be downloaded from the 'files'

section at

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/
>
> On-Line Sailwave help...
> http://sailwave.com/help/HTML/
>
> Convert to daily digest of emails send blank email to:
> sailwave-digest@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-

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