Transmitting Finishing Sheets

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1

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

2

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spread sheet which is compatible with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site & then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant improvementsinvolves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

3

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the times as well

Regards
Jon

···

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr
ead sheet which is compatible with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site & then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was
all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

4

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey, some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s (RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the times as well

Regards
Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site & then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

5

I've been following this discussion, and wondering why you would use this method. We used a laptop + dongle on a Committee Boat in Falmouth Week last year publishing directly to the website, and will do again this year. Its so quick, I can't see why you would use a smartphone with a spreadsheet instead. It is using the same 3g method with one less thing to do. What am I missing ?
We are experimenting with photos of hand written finishing sheets using a smartphone as a back up, and that seems to work ok.
Regards Mike Swingler
Flushing Sailing Club

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey,
some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home
all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv's
(RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is
happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any
errors when writing the numbers down. It's surprising how few duplicates
there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers
etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with
the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between
alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone
to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on
my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my
laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that
I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to
... ;-))

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn't think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got
corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be
displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try
emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel
compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and
Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel
this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the
times as well

Regards
Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle <rat@...> wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no
manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos
received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over
the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible
with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK
for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it
would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large
events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best
solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site &
then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a
web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get
results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can't wait to hear what working significant
improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave
at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You
will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15
minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes
checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all
achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working
significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have
demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many
events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

6

Hi Mike

This whole process started as an alternative to sending the results in by RIB. Unfortunately 3G coverage is extremely variable between different venues. Dongles appeared to be the perfect solution as you say but the “Three” PAYG failed miserably at Rutland & other venues. (I did not want to sign up to annual contracts & then find that it did not work)

Photos are big files whilst a spread sheet is quite small. You are not missing anything - just lucky that 3G is consistent in your part of the world

Regards

Ralph

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: 21 May 2011 17:25
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I’ve been following this discussion, and wondering why you would use this method. We used a laptop + dongle on a Committee Boat in Falmouth Week last year publishing directly to the website, and will do again this year. Its so quick, I can’t see why you would use a smartphone with a spreadsheet instead. It is using the same 3g method with one less thing to do. What am I missing ?
We are experimenting with photos of hand written finishing sheets using a smartphone as a back up, and that seems to work ok.
Regards Mike Swingler
Flushing Sailing Club

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ralph Tingle” <rat@…> wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey,
some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home
all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s
(RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is
happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any
errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates
there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers
etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with
the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between
alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone
to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on
my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my
laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that
I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to
… ;-))

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got
corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be
displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try
emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel
compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and
Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel
this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the
times as well

Regards
Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle <rat@…> wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no
manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos
received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over
the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible
with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK
for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it
would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large
events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best
solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site &
then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a
web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get
results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant
improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave
at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You
will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15
minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes
checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all
achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working
significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have
demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many
events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

7

Hi Ralph,

I agree with you in this image does have a corruption part way through. Some viewers I tried refused to display it, as it said it was corrupted some others displayed what they could of the image about the 1st fifth of the image before it gave up.

How repeatable was / is this? Assuming you still have the image on your phone if you send it again is the image corrupted and if so is it in the same place or different? What was visible of the image did look to be very nice quality!

I assume as you sent it to 3 locations they were all the same which would infer the error was in the transmission. At the events where photos have been used and I have been on the results team, I’m not aware of this type of corruption occuring - Huw will probably comment soon as he has done more events than myself where photos have been used.

You may be aware from some earlier posts here that I have been developing a program that originally started life to allow Grand Prix finishes to be handled with Sailwave where you enter the sail no for each lap they do and it then calculates the final position and writes these into the Sailwave file. I enhanced this at the ISAF Youths to take the spreadsheets from Richard. This is available to anyone FOC and I have enhanced it further now ready for Sail for Gold but haven;t released this one yet as I haven’t finished testing it yet. (Any volunteers?)

Re GH
Agree it would be preferable to record class as well but as you say there are surprisingly very duplicates normally.
The SWGP program mentioned above handles lots of things automatically. Such as 4 digit sail numbers. The sail no can be the full digits or the last 4 digits or the last 3 digits, It will first try to match the sail no against the full digit if there is no match then it will try t match the last 4 digits and if no match it will try the last 3 digits. It also adds leading “0”'s if then get stripped by the spreadsheet when it is matching reduced digits. Additionally you can specify a country code (you don’t have to) but if the sailno is a duplicate with another it will use the country code to select the correct one. So typically you only specify the country code if you know there are duplicates.
You can even do things like gbr123 and this would match GBR 530123. If there are any things such as SailNo it can’t match or invalid codes then it warns you. It has a built in editor to correct any minor mistakes and a single button push writes the results directly into sailwave - No importing required.
Handling of times is in development - need a few rainy days !! but I would aim to make this a simple as possible. Do you record the times for each lap or just the fact they have done the lap? SWGP handles counting of laps and scoring appropriately for classes but doesn’t record times YET!

Connecting via bluetooth these days is usually straight forward as long as your phone supports it (some service providers don’t like it and disable it on their custom firmware)

Jon

···

On 21 May 2011 17:07, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Ralph Tingle included below]

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey, some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s (RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

8

Hi Mike,

I guess it depends on a several things but when you have 4 courses and 4 committee boats it is more practical to have the results centrally. Other events we are not lucky enough to have a committe boat that is capable of using a Laptop on (sometimes it is only a Rib. And even some of scorers sea legs are not upto using a laptop in some of the conditions. Nice if you can do it on the committe boat.

Jon

···

On 21 May 2011 17:24, Mike mswingler1@googlemail.com wrote:

I’ve been following this discussion, and wondering why you would use this method. We used a laptop + dongle on a Committee Boat in Falmouth Week last year publishing directly to the website, and will do again this year. Its so quick, I can’t see why you would use a smartphone with a spreadsheet instead. It is using the same 3g method with one less thing to do. What am I missing ?

We are experimenting with photos of hand written finishing sheets using a smartphone as a back up, and that seems to work ok.
Regards Mike Swingler
Flushing Sailing Club

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ralph Tingle” <rat@…> wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey,
some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home
all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s
(RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is
happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any
errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates
there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers
etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with
the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between
alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone
to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on
my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my
laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that
I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to
… ;-))

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Jon Eskdale

Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got

corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be

displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try

emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel

compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and

Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel

this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the

times as well

Regards

Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle <rat@…> wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no

manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos

received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over

the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible

with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK

for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it

would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large

events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best

solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site &

then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a

web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get

results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant

improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Richard

Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave

at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You

will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15

minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes

checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all

achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working

significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have

demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many

events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

9

Hi Mike

This whole process started as an alternative to sending the results in by RIB. Unfortunately 3G coverage is extremely variable between different venues. Dongles appeared to be the perfect solution as you say but the “Three” PAYG failed miserably at Rutland & other venues. (I did not want to sign up to annual contracts & then find that it did not work)

Photos are big files whilst a spread sheet is quite small. You are not missing anything - just lucky that 3G is consistent in your part of the world

···

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: 21 May 2011 17:25
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I’ve been following this discussion, and wondering why you would use this method. We used a laptop + dongle on a Committee Boat in Falmouth Week last year publishing directly to the website, and will do again this year. Its so quick, I can’t see why you would use a smartphone with a spreadsheet instead. It is using the same 3g method with one less thing to do. What am I missing ?
We are experimenting with photos of hand written finishing sheets using a smartphone as a back up, and that seems to work ok.
Regards Mike Swingler
Flushing Sailing Club

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ralph Tingle” <rat@…> wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey,
some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home
all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s
(RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is
happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any
errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates
there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers
etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with
the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between
alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone
to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on
my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my
laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that
I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to
… ;-))

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got
corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be
displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try
emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel
compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and
Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel
this because of duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the
times as well

Regards
Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle <rat@…> wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no
manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos
received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over
the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this due to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible
with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK
for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it
would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large
events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events, a photo is still the best
solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site &
then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a
web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get
results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant
improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave
at both the L€#
aser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You
will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15
minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes
checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all
achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working
significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have
demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many
events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

10

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

You can get a Bluetooth Android Keyboard…

11

Bluetooth keyboards are only official supported on Android 2.3+ which at the moment isn’t many phones. Plus its a bit difficult to hold both devices (OK if you have a nice dry cabin to sit in a do it) One good thing with android is you have a choice of keyboards to use.

Jon

···

On 21 May 2011 19:15, yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk wrote:

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

You can get a Bluetooth Android Keyboard…

12

Hi Jon

              Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG

system). Some were totally grey, some part like this
one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

              I did a number of trials, some through 3G some

through my wireless at home all with varying results.
Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s
(RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

              Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged

trial to identify what is happening & when, I
thought that I might ask the SUG techies

              GH results should ideally record class as well

as sail number to cover any errors when writing the
numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there
are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4
digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the
finish times (clock) & laps along with the start
time for each start (if there is more than one start).

              I have not tried it on a mobile but switching

the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will
probably be too tedious

              However - just remembered that I can drag &

drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This
might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file
on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

              If I get really bored, I might spend some time

working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G
connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so
that I can email it direct - at this point I think
that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

···

From: sai
lwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] ** On Behalf Of**Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting
Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

                  I wouldn't think it was due to corruption of the

email. If the message got corrupted it would most
likely not even have a photo that could be
displayed, What did the photo look like on the
phone. You could also try emailing the photo
again to yourself to test it out.

                  I think you will find nearly all the Android

spread sheets are Excel compatible. I have
ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus
QuickOffice and Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

                  Interested in your comments on the General

Handicap racing. Do you feel this because o f
duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of
entering the times as well

                  Regards
                  Jon

                    On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph

Tingle <rat@attat.com >
wrote:

                                I acquired a new Sony Xperia

arc because it has a great camera
& requires no manual
intervention before taking the photo

                                Unfortunately, the first

trial at Rutland was bad news. All
the photos received, looked as
though a sheet of plain grey paper
had been laid over the results page
with edges of the photo perfect (on
all MP settings).

                                Is this du e to file

corruption during sending the email?

                                Emailing a spread sheet

sounds good.

                                Can anyone recommend a

suitable Android spr ead sheet which
is compatible with Excel?

                                One point Richard is that

creating a spread sheet on a mobile
phone is OK for class racing (only
need to input sail number) but I
suspect that it would not be
practical for a General Handicap
race, particularly the large events
such as the Tiger Trophy. For these
events , a photo is still the best
solution(at the moment!). One
thought is to upload the file to a
web site & then text the results
office to download the photo from
the site.

                                My technical knowledge is not

great so does anyone think that
uploading to a web site is less
likely to cause less corruption than
emailing??

                                Great to hear of

the developments that you, Huw et al
are making to get results up on the
noticeboard quicker.

                                Keep up the good work &

can’t wait to hear what working
significant improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]
Transmitting Finishing Sheets

                                      I

have documented the technique
used to get results ashore and
into Sailwave at both the
Laser Masters in 2010 and the
Youth Nationals this year. You
will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

                                      The procedures worked well and

enabled results to be
published within 15 minutes of
the last finisher - not bad
when you consider this
includes checking the
finishing sheets and data
entry on the finish boat. It
was all achieved using readily
available kit and as a bonus
queries were minimal.

                                      But this is only version 1 -

Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I
are working significant
improvements to be used at
Sail for Gold. Once we have
demonstrated its effectiveness
I am sure it will find
applications at many events.

                                      If you have any ideas or

observations do get back to
me.

13

Hi Huw

I can’t see anything in the email settings or manual

Thanks everyone for your comments. My initial request was sent in the hope that someone had experienced a similar problem & found the solution.

I really need to carry out a series of controlled tests to identify the circumstances when it works & doesn’t

If I find an answer, will post the results on SUG

Regards

Ralph

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 22 May 2011 08:54
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Ralph,

As the photos on your phone are OK, could it be your email settings? On my HTC Wildfire, by default, the maximum size of file attachment to an email is 300kb.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 21/05/2011 17:07, Ralph Tingle wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey, some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home all with varying results. Emails were sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s (RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

From: sai lwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 21 May 2011 16:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi Ralph,

I wouldn’t think it was due to corruption of the email. If the message got corrupted it would most likely not even have a photo that could be displayed, What did the photo look like on the phone. You could also try emailing the photo again to yourself to test it out.

I think you will find nearly all the Android spread sheets are Excel compatible. I have ThinkFree Office (on my Galaxy Tab) plus QuickOffice and Documents to Go (on my Nexus one).

Interested in your comments on the General Handicap racing. Do you feel this because o f duplicate sail nos or because of the effort of entering the times as well

Regards
Jon

On 21 May 2011 14:23, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

I acquired a new Sony Xperia arc because it has a great camera & requires no manual intervention before taking the photo

Unfortunately, the first trial at Rutland was bad news. All the photos received, looked as though a sheet of plain grey paper had been laid over the results page with edges of the photo perfect (on all MP settings).

Is this du e to file corruption during sending the email?

Emailing a spread sheet sounds good.

Can anyone recommend a suitable Android spr ead sheet which is compatible with Excel?

One point Richard is that creating a spread sheet on a mobile phone is OK for class racing (only need to input sail number) but I suspect that it would not be practical for a General Handicap race, particularly the large events such as the Tiger Trophy. For these events , a photo is still the best solution(at the moment!). One thought is to upload the file to a web site & then text the results office to download the photo from the site.

My technical knowledge is not great so does anyone think that uploading to a web site is less likely to cause less corruption than emailing??

Great to hear of the developments that you, Huw et al are making to get results up on the noticeboard quicker.

Keep up the good work & can’t wait to hear what working significant improvements involves :wink:

Regards

Ralph

< b>From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 19 May 2011 18:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

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14

Hi,

Good possibility Huw, shouldn’t be a problem if Ralph is using Gmail. Ralp[h - Are you using Gmail or some other email?

Ralph as the images are quite big and you have an Android phone there is a wonderful app called “Image Shrink” in the Market. It is extremely easy to use. Once you have your photo and you press the send a menu pops up asking how to send, Image shrink will appear in the list. Select this and you can then select send to Image Shrink - select the size and pass it onto the email. Might sound a bit complicated when you write it down but its extremely easy in practice. Its really surprising how much you can reduce the image with out any apparent loss of quality. Have an experiment. There is a free and paid version of the app. The paid one is better (obvious!) but its only a couple of pounds. Using the app has the advantage that the email gets sent quicker and uses less of your data allowance as well

Jon

···

On 22 May 2011 10:07, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

Hi Huw

I can’t see anything in the email settings or manual

Thanks everyone for your comments. My initial request was sent in the hope that someone had experienced a similar problem & found the solution.

I really need to carry out a series of controlled tests to identify the circumstances when it works & doesn’t

If I find an answer, will post the results on SUG

<
p class=“MsoNormal”>

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 22 May 2011 08:54

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Ralph,

As the photos on your phone are OK, could it be your email settings? On my HTC Wildfire, by default, the maximum size of file attachment to an email is 300kb.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 21/05/2011 17:07, Ralph Tingle wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey, some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home all with varying results. Emails wer
e sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s (RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

15

Thanks Jon

I am using Gmail so that should not be an issue

Image Shrink sounds very interesting as does Calum’s scanner to pdf - will give them both a try, once I have carried out my trials

Regards

Ralph

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Eskdale
Sent: 22 May 2011 10:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Hi,

Good possibility Huw, shouldn’t be a problem if Ralph is using Gmail. Ralp[h - Are you using Gmail or some other email?

Ralph as the images are quite big and you have an Android phone there is a wonderful app called “Image Shrink” in the Market. It is extremely easy to use. Once you have your photo and you press the send a menu pops up asking how to send, Image shrink will appear in the list. Select this and you can then select send to Image Shrink - select the size and pass it onto the email. Might sound a bit complicated when you write it down but its extremely easy in practice. Its really surprising how much you can reduce the image with out any apparent loss of quality. Have an experiment. There is a free and paid version of the app. The paid one is better (obvious!) but its only a couple of pounds. Using the app has the advantage that the email gets sent quicker and uses less of your data allowance as well

Jon

On 22 May 2011 10:07, Ralph Tingle rat@attat.com wrote:

Hi Huw

I can’t see anything in the email settings or manual

Thanks everyone for your comments. My initial request was sent in the hope that someone had experienced a similar problem & found the solution.

I really need to carry out a series of controlled tests to identify the circumstances when it works & doesn’t

If I find an answer, will post the results on SUG

< p class=“MsoNormal”>

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 22 May 2011 08:54

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Ralph,

As the photos on your phone are OK, could it be your email settings? On my HTC Wildfire, by default, the maximum size of file attachment to an email is 300kb.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 21/05/2011 17:07, Ralph Tingle wrote:

Hi Jon

Copy attached (if it goes through the SUG system). Some were totally grey, some part like this one

The actual photos on my phone are great.

I did a number of trials, some through 3G some through my wireless at home all with varying results. Emails wer e sent to myself, Rutland Office & Viv’s (RYA) computer connected to the Rutland wireless.

Before I carried out a thorough, fully logged trial to identify what is happening & when, I thought that I might ask the SUG techies

GH results should ideally record class as well as sail number to cover any errors when writing the numbers down. It’s surprising how few duplicates there are but it does happen & we cannot use the last 4 digits for Lasers etc. Added to this, we must have the finish times (clock) & laps along with the start time for each start (if there is more than one start).

I have not tried it on a mobile but switching the QWERTY keyboard between alpha & numeric will probably be too tedious

However - just remembered that I can drag & drop files if I connect my phone to my laptop. This might be a solution by creating the spreadsheet file on my laptop & then transferring it to the mobile.

If I get really bored, I might spend some time working out how to connect my laptop to the 3G connection on my mobile (by bluetooth or hardwire?) so that I can email it direct - at this point I think that I am losing the will to ……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

16

Thanks Jon

I am using Gmail so that should not be an issue

              Image Shrink sounds very interesting as does

Calum’s scanner to pdf - will give them both a try,
once I have carried out my trials

···

Regards

Ralph

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] ** On Behalf Of**Jon Eskdale
Sent: 22 May 2011 10:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Transmitting
Finishing Sheets

Hi,

                  Good possibility Huw, shouldn't be a problem if

Ralph is using Gmail. Ralp[h - Are you using
Gmail or some other email?

                  Ralph as the images are quite big and you have an

Android phone there is a wonderful app called
“Image Shrink” in the Market. It is extremely
easy to use. Once you have your photo and you
press the send a menu pops up asking how to send,
Image shrink will appear in the list. Select this
and you can then select send to Image Shrink -
select the size and pass it onto the email. Might
sound a bit complicated when you write it down but
its extremely easy in practice. Its really
surprising how much you can reduce the image with
out any apparent loss of quality. Have an
experiment. There is a free and paid version of
the app. The paid one is better (obvious!) but
its only a couple of pounds. Using the app has
the advantage that the email gets sent quicker and
uses less of your data allowance as well

                  Jon

                    On 22 May 2011 10:07, Ralph

Tingle <rat@attat.com >
wrote:

Hi Huw

                                I can't see anything in the

email settings or manual

                                Thanks everyone for your

comments. My initial request was
sent in the hope that someone had
experienced a similar problem &
found the solution.

                                I really need to carry out a

series of controlled tests to
identify the circumstances when it
works & doesn’t

If I find an answer, will
post the results on SUG

                              <

p class=“MsoNormal”>

Regards

Ralph

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[ma ilto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 22 May 2011 08:54

                                  **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
                                  **Subject:** Re: [sailwave]

Transmitting Finishing Sheets

Ralph,

                                    As the photos on your phone are

OK, could it be your email
settings? On my HTC Wildfire, by
default, the maximum size of
file attachment to an email is
300kb.

                                    Kind regards,
                                    Huw

                                    On 21/05/2011 17:07, Ralph

Tingle wrote:

Hi Jon

                                            Copy

attached (if it goes
through the SUG system).
Some were totally grey,
some part like this one

                                            The actual

photos on my phone are
great.

                                          I did a

number of trials, some
through 3G some through my
wireless at home all with
varying results. Emails
wer e sent to myself,
Rutland Office & Viv’s
(RYA) computer connected
to the Rutland wireless.

                                            Before I

carried out a thorough,
fully logged trial to
identify what is
happening & when, I
th ought that I might
ask the SUG techies

                                            GH results

should ideally record
class as well as sail
number to cover any
errors when writing the
numbers down. It’s
surprising how few
duplicates there are but
it does happen & we
cannot use the last 4
digits for Lasers etc.
Added to this, we must
have the finish times
(clock) & laps along
with the start time for
each start (if there is
more than one start).

                                            I have not

tried it on a mobile but
switching the QWERTY
keyboard between alpha
& numeric will
probably be too tedious

                                            However -

just remembered that I
can drag & drop
files if I connect my
phone to my laptop. This
might be a solution by
creating the spreadsheet
file on my laptop &
then transferring it to
the mobile.

                                            If I get

really bored, I might
spend some time working
out how to connect my
laptop to the 3G
connection on my mobile
(by bluetooth or
hardwire?) so that I can
email it direct - at
this point I think that
I am losing the will to
……. ;-))

Regards

Ralph

17

Hi everyone watching and contributing to this thread,

Firstly thanks for all your interest and contributions.

A correction to the latest event that was used in testing the

spreadsheet method for getting the results ashore, the event was the
RYA Volvo Youth Championships 2011 held at Hayling Island SC in
April not ISAF Youths. They were used as the selection event to
choose the GBR team for the 2011 ISAF Youth Worlds.

I agree the ultimate solution is to use Sailwave on the finish boat

and then transmit the results either directly to the event web site
or to a results office ashore. I also know this method works
successfully.

However, the events that I am involved with are using multiple race

areas and multiple finish boats and although sometimes the finish
boats have a suitable location for using a PC, more often than not
they do not and many do not have a facility to plug a PC into an
electrical source. Additionally as has already been stated, finding
individuals with the sea legs to operate a PC in a cabin who are
part of the race team has largely not been unsuccessful. The Race
Organisers also want the results centrally co-ordinated, together
with the time the race started, the time of first boat to to finish
and time of last boat to finish. The last of these is especially
important for the last race of the day as it sets protest time
limits and Rule 42 infringement postings - the events I am talking
about are international or high level national events involving
International Juries.

An advantage of a spreadsheet method as has already been mention is

the file size; at the RYA Youth Nationals the largest file size was
22kb which is substantially smaller than a photograph - at the first
event I had photographs sent through to the results office with file
sizes of over 1Mb, although by the end of the week this was down to
300kb by using lower resolution on the camera phones. The
spreadsheet can also do first up checking on entered sail numbers
and individuals may be more comfortable with a spreadsheet solution
than using Sailwave.

All mechanisms of getting the results from finish boat to shore have

their pros & cons. I am looking to provide alternative
mechanisms that work for the race teams I am working with. At the
upcoming Skandia Sail for Gold Regatta, there are 7 course areas
running races for all the Olympic & Paralympic classes. On at
least one of the course areas the start & finish team are one
and the same, so they are focussed on getting results ashore as
quickly as possible so they can then focus on the next start, so for
them photographing will probably be there preferred choice.

Currently (@11:00 BST Sunday 22nd June) Sail for Gold Regatta has

691 competitors entered! Many of the classes will run a qualifying
series with daily flight re-assignment. Closing date for entries is
Monday 23rd May.

FYI - I am hoping that we will have access to some tablet devices

chosen for being easy to hold in one hand whilst large enough to
have a decent screen size. They will also be in a an AquaPac to
protect them from the elements. Last year I investigated portable
PC’s for use in the Marine environment and they were rather
expensive.

The issue I have experienced with photographs is sharpness, hand

writing and colour contrast, especially when waterproof paper is
used, and printing. Different printers print the image in different
ways even if the image looks good on a screen :frowning:

Callum - asked about Windows program "..that could do the timing and

finishing and then import into Sailwave". If you mean PROLog which I
had developed for my sailing club, then it is no longer supported
although I have application.

I will report back after Sail for Gold on how things went and

problems. I hope last years problems with the Vodafone network will
not repeat themselves! I am looking to have each finish boat with at
least 2 mobile phones and on different network providers.

Kind regards,
Huw
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Greetings all,

For the last couple of years for major regattas, we have been using laser pens to transmit results sheets ashore. Essentially, the recorder uses a laser pen to record the results on pre-printed forms. You get a normal hard copy, as the laser pen is also a normal biro. However, the pen also records everything that’s written and transmits it via a cell phone to a server. The results office can then either print a copy of the finishing sheet, or digitise the results for batch load into the scoring program. We keep 7 pens, allowing for up to 7 courses/finishing boats to work simultaneously. Each pen is twinned by bluetooth to a cell phone, which uses 3G data transmission with the server.

I just uploaded a file to the group that describes the pen technology, which should now be at:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wLzaTZs2kUcpOwlhRc1ZY3G8c4QdJ-sQCqh8bMN3WeccWyShmWHcmPAHQ0CA1ZVnTpR5L4F1LDTLLKHW28lmCZIDP25D8g/Yacht%20Racing%20Results%20Using%20Digital%20Pen%20Technology.doc

Any questions, please let me know

Ian.

RStGYC, Dun Laoghaire

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I have documented the technique used to get results ashore and into Sailwave at both the Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

The procedures worked well and enabled results to be published within 15 minutes of the last finisher - not bad when you consider this includes checking the finishing sheets and data entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved using readily available kit and as a bonus queries were minimal.

But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon Eskdale and I are working significant improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure it will find applications at many events.

If you have any ideas or observations do get back to me.

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Greetings all,

      For the last couple of years for

major regattas, we have been using laser pens to transmit
results sheets ashore. Essentially, the recorder uses a laser
pen to record the results on pre-printed forms. You get a
normal hard copy, as the laser pen is also a normal biro.
However, the pen also records everything that’s written and
transmits it via a cell phone to a server. The results office
can then either print a copy of the finishing sheet, or
digitise the results for batch load into the scoring program.
We keep 7 pens, allowing for up to 7 courses/finishing boats
to work simultaneously. Each pen is twinned by bluetooth to a
cell phone, which uses 3G data transmission with the server.

      I just uploaded a file to the

group that describes the pen technology, which should now be
at:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wLzaTZs2kUcpOwlhRc1ZY3G8c4QdJ-sQCqh8bMN3WeccWyShmWHcmPAHQ0CA1ZVnTpR5L4F1LDTLLKHW28lmCZIDP25D8g/Yacht%20Racing%20Results%20Using%20Digital%20Pen%20Technology.doc

Any questions, please let me know

Ian.

RStGYC, Dun Laoghaire

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[sailwave] Transmitting
Finishing Sheets

                    I have documented the technique used to get

results ashore and into Sailwave at both the
Laser Masters in 2010 and the Youth Nationals
this year. You will find it at www.sailingclubsoftware.com/results.aspx

                    The procedures worked well and enabled results

to be published within 15 minutes of the last
finisher - not bad when you consider this
includes checking the finishing sheets and data
entry on the finish boat. It was all achieved
using readily available kit and as a bonus
queries were minimal.

                    But this is only version 1 - Huw Pearce, Jon

Eskdale and I are working significant
improvements to be used at Sail for Gold. Once
we have demonstrated its effectiveness I am sure
it will find applications at many events.

                    If you have any ideas or observations do get

back to me.

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