is FYI. I’m sure you have already been advised but sending this
just in case you are not aware. I do not have and further info
on what the [OziUsers-L] list intends doing.
Best Regards,
Alan.
···
N.B.
I am NOT the same Alan that is the signatory the original
message.
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Yahoo are closing this and (probably) all lists. This is at the
top
of the group’s webpage:-
“Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer
host user created content on its sites. New content can no longer
be
uploaded after October 28, 2019. Learn More”
Clicking on ‘Learn more’ shows:-
“Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload
content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won’t
be
able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14
all
previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed.
You’ll have until that date to save anything you’ve uploaded.”
This list’s content must be save by moving this group to groups.io
,
as many other list owners have already done.
I understand that details of how to move are on the groups.io
website.
Alan
Posted by: Reg ------------------------------------
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When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
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Subject:
[OziUsers-L] URGENT: To list owner
Date:
Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:52 +0000
From:
Reg [OziUsers-L]
Reply-To:
To: lists.reg@gmail.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the
administrators/moderators of the Yahoo Sailwave group.
Having looked at the information available;
my initial reading is that it is any content that has been
uploaded to the group that will be deleted and any messages
posted will be deleted as well on 14th December
individual subscribers to the Sailwave group can download the
messages they posted but I cannot see if it is possible for
someone, possibly the creator of the Sailwave group, to request
download of ALL messages posted to the group. If it is possible,
Yahoo say it could be up to 30 days before a download is
available which does not give much time before the date of 14th
December Yahoo say all data will be deleted.
For information the download data will be in something called
JSON format. Additionally I expect it to be a very large file as
there are 19,126 posts to the Sail group since April 2001 when it
first started. Straight messages without any attachments seem to
be about 30KB in size, therefore a file of all the messages is
going to be at least 500MB. JSON adds a lot of overhead in it’s
format, so I would not be surprised if the file grew to over 1GB.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 17/10/2019 01:08, Al
[sailwave] wrote:
alanky@tpg.com.au
Jon,
As a member of another yahoogroups.com
list this is FYI. I’m sure you have already been
advised but sending this just in case you are not
aware. I do not have and further info on what the [OziUsers-L]
list intends doing.
Yahoo are closing this and (probably) all lists. This is
at the top
of the group’s webpage:-
“Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will
no longer
host user created content on its sites. New content can no
longer be
uploaded after October 28, 2019. Learn More”
Clicking on ‘Learn more’ shows:-
“Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to
upload
content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21,
you won’t be
able to upload any more content to the site, and as of
December 14 all
previously posted content on the site will be permanently
removed.
You’ll have until that date to save anything you’ve
uploaded.”
This list’s content must be save by moving this group to groups.io ,
as many other list owners have already done.
I understand that details of how to move are on the groups.io website.
Alan
Posted by: Reg ------------------------------------
Attachments are not allowed for emails sent to this group.
When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
Off-Topic messages may be deleted without warning.
Yahoo Groups Links
<> To visit your group on the web, go to:
<> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<> To change settings online go to:
(Yahoo! ID required)
<> To change settings via email:
<> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
to:
<> Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to:
Subject:
[OziUsers-L] URGENT: To list owner
Date:
Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:52 +0000
From:
Reg [OziUsers-L]
Reply-To:
To: lists.reg@gmail.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.comOziUsers-L@yahoogroups.com
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the
administrators/moderators of the Yahoo Sailwave group.
Having looked at the information available;
my initial reading is that it is any content that has been
uploaded to the group that will be deleted and any messages
posted will be deleted as well on 14th December
individual subscribers to the Sailwave group can download the
messages they posted but I cannot see if it is possible for
someone, possibly the creator of the Sailwave group, to request
download of ALL messages posted to the group. If it is possible,
Yahoo say it could be up to 30 days before a download is
available which does not give much time before the date of 14th
December Yahoo say all data will be deleted.
For information the download data will be in something called
JSON format. Additionally I expect it to be a very large file as
there are 19,126 posts to the Sail group since April 2001 when it
first started. Straight messages without any attachments seem to
be about 30KB in size, therefore a file of all the messages is
going to be at least 500MB. JSON adds a lot of overhead in it’s
format, so I would not be surprised if the file grew to over 1GB.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 17/10/2019 01:08, Al > alanky@tpg.com.au [sailwave] wrote:
Jon,
As a member of another [yahoogroups.com](http://yahoogroups.com)
list this is FYI. I'm sure you have already been
advised but sending this just in case you are not
aware. I do not have and further info on what the [OziUsers-L]
list intends doing.
Alan
------------------------------------
Posted by: Reg <lists.reg@gmail.com>
------------------------------------
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When you see spam messages on this group, do not respond.
Off-Topic messages may be deleted without warning.
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Groups.io is probably the easiest and free for basic usage but to import from the Yahoo group it has to be a premium account for the first year for which there is a $110 charge
Apparently this was only announced yesterday the 16th October so they are not giving users much time.
There is of course the Facebook page or possibility of setting up a forum on the Sailwave server either using Word press or dedicated forum software. I assume Simon can download the data?
What is important is that useful information is not lost. I can probably host it somewhere if necessary.
Google Groups may be a possibility but Google don’t have a good record for not shutting down services even when they are well used.
It would be nice if the replacement solution is indexed by crawlers. There’s a lot of content in the discussion group, but I’ve never been able to find any of it with DDG/Google/Bing searches. Facebook, unfortunately, is effectively a closed system - crawlers are denied from even public groups. groups.io is hypothetically crawlable if the archives are public, but I’m not having any success searching for posts in a 3000 strong group that has public archives (via google at least). Ah, wait, DuckDuckGo seems to have better results if I filter to site:groups.io, so eh.
If groups.io is the right solution, I’ll chip in $5/10 towards that first year charge; send me a direct mail with a Paypal target or whatever, least I can do since the club I do results for has been using SW for several years now.
Web forums are fine, but they require people be more active (though they solve the crawler indexing issue) to seek out the discussion instead of have it all delivered to their inbox. Admittedly, you can set forum software to email you every new discussion. My other two thoughts about forums are
keeping them secure; you’ve got to keep them patched to avoid security issues that can result in the database data (like passwords, which should be salted and hashed with scrypt or similar) being extracted and an announcement on HaveIBeenPwned.
most forum software has no idea about threading, like a mail client can do; mail clients at least support branching in a thread, while most forum software flattens everything.
Reddit? Open, searchable, crawler indexed, no requirement for real names (if that matters to people), has threaded rendering, supports images. Needs a login to post, but that would apply to a forum, and sort of applies to this list (if you consider sending from your email client to be a “login”).
···
On 2019-10-17 12:00, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] wrote:
Groups.io is probably the easiest and free for basic usage but to import from the Yahoo group it has to be a premium account for the first year for which there is a $110 charge
Apparently this was only announced yesterday the 16th October so they are not giving users much time.
There is of course the Facebook page or possibility of setting up a forum on the Sailwave server either using Word press or dedicated forum software. I assume Simon can download the data?
What is important is that useful information is not lost… I can probably host it somewhere if necessary.
Google Groups may be a possibility but Google don’t have a good record for not shutting down services even when they are well used.
On 2019-10-17 12:00, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] wrote:
Groups.io is probably the easiest and free for basic usage but to import from the Yahoo group it has to be a premium account for the first year for which there is a $110 charge
Apparently this was only announced yesterday the 16th October so they are not giving users much time.
There is of course the Facebook page or possibility of setting up a forum on the Sailwave server either using Word press or dedicated forum software. I assume Simon can download the data?
What is important is that useful information is not lost… I can probably host it somewhere if necessary.
Google Groups may be a possibility but Google don’t have a good record for not shutting down services even when they are well used.
My 2c on this, as a lurker:
It would be nice if the replacement solution is indexed by crawlers. There’s a lot of content in the discussion group, but I’ve never been able to find any of it with DDG/Google/Bing searches. Facebook, unfortunately, is effectively a closed system - crawlers are denied from even public groups. groups.io is hypothetically crawlable if the archives are public, but I’m not having any success searching for posts in a 3000 strong group that has public archives (via google at least). Ah, wait, DuckDuckGo seems to have better results if I filter to site:groups.io, so eh.
If groups.io is the right solution, I’ll chip in $5/10 towards that first year charge; send me a direct mail with a Paypal target or whatever, least I can do since the club I do results for has been using SW for several years now.
Web forums are fine, but they require people be more active (though they solve the crawler indexing issue) to seek out the discussion instead of have it all delivered to their inbox. Admittedly, you can set forum software to email you every new discussion. My other two thoughts about forums are
keeping them secure; you’ve got to keep them patched to avoid security issues that can result in the database data (like passwords, which should be salted and hashed with scrypt or similar) being extracted and an announcement on HaveIBeenPwned.
most forum software has no idea about threading, like a mail client can do; mail clients at least support branching in a thread, while most forum software flattens everything.
Reddit? Open, searchable, crawler indexed, no requirement for real names (if that matters to people), has threaded rendering, supports images. Needs a login to post, but that would apply to a forum, and sort of applies to this list (if you consider sending from your email client to be a “login”).
