Use of Aliasing .

[ejwjohn]

We have two fleets of One design boats, and the results are getting predictable, and certain sailors who do not get into the top half of the results are beginning to lose interest.

The club wants to create a Gold and Silver fleet within each Class, my thoughts are that if we could possibly use Aliasing to capture the results of the same races but apply a TCF to those in the Aliased Fleet it may help to create a two tier fleet.

Fist question how to configure and Aliased fleet, second question will this plan work?

Thanks You

John

[Chad_Kurszewski]

I’m not the expert on the topic, but what you ask is similar to what I did for our club this year. Things were fairly predictable under our PHRF scoring, and we were looking to get interest from others that maybe don’t have the same skills, but still have a chance at finishing decently, or at least closer. This is when I found the RYA NHC scoring system, and then found Sailwave to score it.

I’ll take a stab at remembering how to set it up:

Edit > New Competitor Aliasing

Add appropriate boats

Then go into Scoring System, Fleets tab

Add “New Fleet” (or a new fleet for every previous fleet)

For each of those new fleets, edit them, changing the Rating system appropriately

Chad

···

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:19 AM, ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

We have two fleets of One design boats, and the results are getting predictable, and certain sailors who do not get into the top half of the results are beginning to lose interest.

The club wants to create a Gold and Silver fleet within each Class, my thoughts are that if we could possibly use Aliasing to capture the results of the same races but apply a TCF to those in the Aliased Fleet it may help to create a two tier fleet.

Fist question how to configure and Aliased fleet, second question will this plan work?

Thanks You

John

[Sailwave]

Hi John

There is a short video on setting up Aliases available here http://www.screencast.com/t/EAwpgCSBB

There is no sound but it does show you the steps necessary to create the aliases.

Jon

···

On 5 September 2017 at 17:19, ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

We have two fleets of One design boats, and the results are getting predictable, and certain sailors who do not get into the top half of the results are beginning to lose interest.

The club wants to create a Gold and Silver fleet within each Class, my thoughts are that if we could possibly use Aliasing to capture the results of the same races but apply a TCF to those in the Aliased Fleet it may help to create a two tier fleet.

Fist question how to configure and Aliased fleet, second question will this plan work?

Thanks You

John

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[JohnL]

John,

Chad has given you a good start.

In addition you will need to go into steup – user interface, and then select competing alias ( about 4^th up from the bottom in 2.19.8)

You will also need to create an extra race before scoring to accept the new handicap.

Consider setting the new ratings column to show on screen and publish as well.

As your fleet is a one design you can start with a TCF of 1, or you could create Alias on historical data, and calculate NHC results, then use the ratings values generated as a starting point.

I first started working out a handicap rating using similar maths to the NHC in the 70’s but did it for the start of each new series. The NHC system allows a new rating for each race.

In my current club we exclude the trophy winners from receiving handicap trophies. This procedure forms part of the NoR and SI’s.

I have found the tools – set competitor field, a very handy tool.

My experience with Sailwave is the limits are the limits of my immigration.

Have fun and enjoy your sailing

···

From my impression the NHC system works towards giving individuals a chance of winning an individual race rather than a regatta/series.

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 06 September 2017 2:20
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Use of Aliasing .

We have two fleets of One design boats, and the results are getting predictable, and certain sailors who do not get into the top half of the results are beginning to lose interest.

The club wants to create a Gold and Silver fleet within each Class, my thoughts are that if we could possibly use Aliasing to capture the results of the same races but apply a TCF to those in the Aliased Fleet it may help to create a two tier fleet.

Fist question how to configure and Aliased fleet, second question will this plan work?

Thanks You

John

[ejwjohn]

Chad, Jon & John,

Thanks for the great help in getting this going… i will spend some time now learning how to use this to see how it will help us.

Thanks

John

[ejwjohn]

Ok,

When using RYA NHC for the Aliased fleet I have an option to specify Internal or External, i assume this is an external Spread sheet? but how to i specify where it is etc, and why would i use Internal or External, what are the benefits of each option please?

thx

John W

[Sailwave]

Only use external if you want to see how the calculations are done or you want to modify the rules or parameters.
If you use external it defaults to the same rules as the internals but you need to have excel installed to use it.

Jon

···

On 6 September 2017 at 15:08, ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Ok,

When using RYA NHC for the Aliased fleet I have an option to specify Internal or External, i assume this is an external Spread sheet? but how to i specify where it is etc, and why would i use Internal or External, what are the benefits of each option please?

thx

John W

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[Huw2]

Hi John,

Internal mode is faster and is hard-wired so no change to
calculation algorithms is possible by end user such as yourself;
only Jon can make changes as and when the RYA notify him of ny
calculation changes.

External mode uses and external Microsoft Excel
spreadsheet template [SWNHC3.xls], which is located in the
Sailwave data\templates folder. This Excel file does the same
calculations as internal mode but you are able to see the
calculation algorithms. If you are so minded you could use the
file as template for creating your own club specific progressive
handicap system as some have already done.

The choice is yours, but initially probably use internal mode.

Kind regards,

Huw

···

On 06/09/2017 15:08, [sailwave] wrote:

ejwjohn@gmail.com

Ok,

          When using RYA NHC for the Aliased fleet I have an

option to specify Internal or External, i assume this is
an external Spread sheet? but how to i specify where it is
etc, and why would i use Internal or External, what are
the benefits of each option please?

thx

John W

Virus-free. www.avast.com

[ejwjohn]

Jon,

Ok, Thanks that is great.

John W

[ejwjohn]

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

[mtownsend]

I am attempting to upload files to the Sailwave results folder from the Sailwave application via the publishing menu. Using the same file it works from one computer, but not from another using the same Sailwave file. Any ideas as to what
I am missing?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

···

From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Use of Aliasing .

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

[Sailwave]

Hi Mark

What error do you get. Must likely firewall

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[mtownsend]

The upload times out on two different laptops, but works on a hardwired desktop.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

···

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[mtownsend]

I am able to upload from a desktop running Windows 8 and IE 11. I am unable to upload from a laptop running Windows 10 and Edge. When I downloaded the latest version of Sailwave, I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe.

Are the inability to upload results and download the new version of sailwave related?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

···

From: Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:54 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

The upload times out on two different laptops, but works on a hardwired desktop.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-------- Original message --------

From: “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]”

Date:09/06/2017 10:30 AM (GMT-08:00)

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark

What error do you get. Must likely firewall

Jon

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 18:26, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am attempting to upload files to the Sailwave results folder from the Sailwave application via the publishing menu. Using the same file it works from one computer, but not from another using the same Sailwave file. Any ideas as to what I am missing?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Use of Aliasing .

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

–

Jon Eskdale

07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[John_Culter]

Hi Mark,

Are your ftp settings the same on both machines?

···

John R Culter
Medinet Vancouver
604 742-8832 or 604 908-3118 mobile

[Sailwave]

Hi Mark - I don’t think they are related

On the laptop running windows 10 and edge - Are you trying to upload to your website or to the Sailwave results folder

If you can upload to the results folder but not your website then it is most likely the ftp settings in the global settings

If you can’t upload to the results folder it is most likely the firewall settings

re I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe. Do you have a screen shot - is it anti virus or windows?

Is it saying the site or the file?

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 7 September 2017 at 16:15, Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am able to upload from a desktop running Windows 8 and IE 11. I am unable to upload from a laptop running Windows 10 and Edge. When I downloaded the latest version of Sailwave, I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe.

Are the inability to upload results and download the new version of sailwave related?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:54 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

The upload times out on two different laptops, but works on a hardwired desktop.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-------- Original message --------

From: “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]”

Date:09/06/2017 10:30 AM (GMT-08:00)

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark

What error do you get. Must likely firewall

Jon

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 18:26, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am attempting to upload files to the Sailwave results folder from the Sailwave application via the publishing menu. Using the same file it works from one computer, but not from another using the same Sailwave file. Any ideas as to what I am missing?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Use of Aliasing .

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

–

Jon Eskdale

07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[mtownsend]

I am trying to upload to the Sailwave results folder. The upload times out after many minutes.

···

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email:
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

---

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:15:19 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark - I don’t think they are related

On the laptop running windows 10 and edge - Are you trying to upload to your website or to the Sailwave results folder

If you can upload to the results folder but not your website then it is most likely the ftp settings in the global settings

If you can’t upload to the results folder it is most likely the firewall settings

re I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe. Do you have a screen shot - is it anti virus or windows?

Is it saying the site or the file?

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 7 September 2017 at 16:15, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am able to upload from a desktop running Windows 8 and IE 11. I am unable to upload from a laptop running Windows 10 and Edge. When I downloaded the latest version of Sailwave, I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe.

Are the inability to upload results and download the new version of sailwave related?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:54 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

The upload times out on two different laptops, but works on a hardwired desktop.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-------- Original message --------

From: “Jon Eskdale
jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]”

Date:09/06/2017 10:30 AM (GMT-08:00)

To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark

What error do you get. Must likely firewall

Jon

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 18:26, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am attempting to upload files to the Sailwave results folder from the Sailwave application via the publishing menu. Using the same file it works from one computer, but not from another using the same Sailwave
file. Any ideas as to what I am missing?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Use of Aliasing .

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

–

Jon Eskdale

07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

[Huw2]

Hi Mark,

  What settings do you have on the FTP under Global settings? Try

checking the last box [* Use passive transfer - leave unchecked
if you are not sure* ] on the screen if it is unchecked or
unchecking if it is checked and try.

Kind regards,

Huw

···

On 07/09/2017 17:45, Mark Townsend
[sailwave] wrote:

s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

            I am trying to upload to the Sailwave results folder.

The upload times out after many minutes.

** Mark
Townsend**

                  Phone:

562-433-4366

                  Mobile:

562-533-5909�

                  Email:
                s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

---

From:
on behalf of Jon
Eskdale [sailwave]
Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:15:19 AM
Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to
Sailwave Results Folder
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Subject: RE: [sailwave]
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jon@sailwave.com
[sailwave]”

                                            Date:09/06/2017

10:30 AM (GMT-08:00)

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sailwave@yahoogroups.com

                                            Subject:

Re: [sailwave] Uploading
Results to Sailwave
Results Folder

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Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday,
September 6,
2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]
Re: Use of
Aliasing .

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                                                      Jon

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                                                      07530

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sailwave@yahoogroups.comsailwave@yahoogroups.comjon@sailwave.comsailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
**To:**sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:

[mtownsend]

Checking the “Use Passive Mode” worked.

Thanks

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

···

From: Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave]
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 10:01 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark,

What settings do you have on the FTP under Global settings? Try checking the last box [Use passive transfer - leave unchecked if you are not sure] on the screen if it is unchecked or unchecking if it is checked and try.

Kind regards,

Huw

On 07/09/2017 17:45, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] wrote:

I am trying to upload to the Sailwave results folder. The upload times out after many minutes.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
sailwave@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jon Eskdale
jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:15:19 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark - I don’t think they are related

On the laptop running windows 10 and edge - Are you trying to upload to your website or to the Sailwave results folder

If you can upload to the results folder but not your website then it is most likely the ftp settings in the global settings

If you can’t upload to the results folder it is most likely the firewall settings

re I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe. Do you have a screen shot - is it anti virus or windows?

Is it saying the site or the file?

Jon

Jon Eskdale

07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 7 September 2017 at 16:15, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am able to upload from a desktop running Windows 8 and IE 11. I am unable to upload from a laptop running Windows 10 and Edge. When I downloaded the latest version of Sailwave, I received the messages indicating that the site is unsafe.

Are the inability to upload results and download the new version of sailwave related?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:54 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

The upload times out on two different laptops, but works on a hardwired desktop.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Mobile: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

-------- Original message --------

From: “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]”

Date:09/06/2017 10:30 AM (GMT-08:00)

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Uploading Results to Sailwave Results Folder

Hi Mark

What error do you get. Must likely firewall

Jon

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 18:26, Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I am attempting to upload files to the Sailwave results folder from the Sailwave application via the publishing menu. Using the same file it works from one computer, but not from another using the same Sailwave file. Any ideas as to what I am missing?

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Mobile: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

From: ejwjohn@gmail.com [sailwave]
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:26 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Use of Aliasing .

Huw,

Thank You.

I will operate in the mode of “if it is not broken do not try to fix it”

John W

–

Jon Eskdale

07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

Virus-free.

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