Using Alias on RYA NHC

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Hello,

For the coming racing season the club is going to use the RYA NHC via the Alias method of scoring, ir there will be two series winners First past the post and the Handicap.

One question has arisen in regard to how do we best compensate a sailor who had a delayed finish as a result of an incident on the course that was not of his making.

Suggestions please?

thanks

John W

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Hello,

Was this a really simple question to ask???

Apologies.

John W

3

John,

  There are no automatic ways in Sailwave of compensating a

competitor. For races involving handicaps it is usual to adjust
either the finish time [if using start and finish times] or the
elapsed time. In either case I would suggest that an appropriate
note is made in the Notes field.

  Question back to you on your question. Are the compensations

published in the NoR or SI? Because if not the only way
compensation can be given to a competitor is by a Protest
Committee after a hearing.

Kind regards,

Huw

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On 12/01/2018 12:45, [sailwave] wrote:

ejwmac@mac.com

Hello,

            For the coming racing season the club is going to

use the RYA NHC via the Alias method of scoring, ir
there will be two series winners First past the post and
the Handicap.

            One question has arisen in regard to how do we

best compensate a sailor who had a delayed finish as a
result of an incident on the course that was not of his
making.

Suggestions please?

thanks

John W


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Huw,

Firstly, thanks for taking the time to explain this.

Ref your suggestion about compensation on finish or elapse time, noted thank you.

In regard to the issue of references in the NOR /SI, excellent point, i will raise this with the Commodore who raised the initial question, and review with the Fleet Captains.

Once again thanks

John W

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You are probably confusing two issues:

1. How should a boat be scored if something happened and the boat was
entitled to redress? -- This is handled by the protest committee and
the RC shouldn't do anything per RRS A5. Boats that get redress
shouldn't have their ratings changed but I don't know what the NHC
re-rating system actually does - I assume the rating for boats that get
redress won't change but someone else would have to confirm that.

2. What should the RC do about the new rating for a boat that finishes
far behind the others due to an unusual occurrence on the course? --
Nothing specific as the NHC handles that in its calculations by having
different policies for finishes more than a certain amount behind (or
ahead of) the average boat. As of the 2015 version, the NHC calculations
considered boats well ahead of or well behind the average boats to be
"over-performers" or "under-performers" and the amount of adjustment for
those boats was less than for others on the assumption that something
weird probably happened and their finish reflects that weirdness rather
than actual performance. It is automatic and the RC should do nothing
special and just score as normal since the NHC calculations
automatically take that into account.

Art

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On 1/12/2018 4:45 AM, ejwmac@mac.com [sailwave] wrote:

Hello,

For the coming racing season the club is going to use the RYA NHC via
the Alias method of scoring, ir there will be two series winners First
past the post and the Handicap.

One question has arisen in regard to how do we best compensate a sailor
who had a delayed finish as a result of an incident on the course that
was not of his making.

Suggestions please?

thanks

John W

6

You are probably confusing two issues:

1. How should a boat be scored if something happened and the boat was
entitled to redress? -- This is handled by the protest committee and
the RC shouldn't do anything per RRS A5. Boats that get redress
shouldn't have their ratings changed but I don't know what the NHC
re-rating system actually does - I assume the rating for boats that get
redress won't change but someone else would have to confirm that.

2. What should the RC do about the new rating for a boat that finishes
far behind the others due to an unusual occurrence on the course? --
Nothing specific as the NHC handles that in its calculations by having
different policies for finishes more than a certain amount behind (or
ahead of) the average boat. As of the 2015 version, the NHC calculations
considered boats well ahead of or well behind the average boats to be
"over-performers" or "under-performers" and the amount of adjustment for
those boats was less than for others on the assumption that something
weird probably happened and their finish reflects that weirdness rather
than actual performance. It is automatic and the RC should do nothing
special and just score as normal since the NHC calculations
automatically take that into account.

Art

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On 1/12/2018 4:45 AM, ejwmac@mac.com [sailwave] wrote:

Hello,

For the coming racing season the club is going to use the RYA NHC via
the Alias method of scoring, ir there will be two series winners
First past the post and the Handicap.

One question has arisen in regard to how do we best compensate a
sailor who had a delayed finish as a result of an incident on the
course that was not of his making.

Suggestions please?

thanks

John W

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Art,

Thank You for the clarification especially in regard to your 2nd. para, i was not aware of that.

With reference to how the NHC re rating system does for a boat that gets redress… I must defer to other far more experienced contributors on that score.

Thanks to all for their time and effort in responding to this issue.

John W