using low point average scoring system for series

[garrett_coonrod]

Hello All,

We have adopted the low point average scoring system for our series but I cannot figure out how to exclude results for boats that did not come to the race. Per US Sailing boats that did not come to the starting are shall not be scored. I have set the DNC code to be average for all races not discarded and that works out to the correct math in the end but people are confused when a DNC racer has a lower average than someone who actually raced and it lowers their “ranking”. Long story short is their any way to have a racer who did not compete not show up in our series results and have their overall series score the average of all races they have competed in?

Thanks,

Garrett

[Art_Engel2]

Garrett,

You can hide all DNCs when publishing (Publish|Results|Options, uncheck
"Include DNC results"). That should provide what you asked for.

For race results, my club wants to hide DNCs that didn't enter the race
but show DNCs that entered. Therefore, we create a new code (say "DNCr")
for DNCs that entered the race but didn't come out. Then we hide DNCs
but the DNCr boats will show. (For series results, we show both by
enabling "Include DNC results".) If you want to show some DNC boats but
not others then that is the way to approach it (we do post-processing so
"DNCr" gets converted to "DNC" in the final posted results so it looks
like we are publishing DNCs when we aren't).

On a slightly different topic. Your "solution" to assign "average"
points for DNC should always work but only if you have no discards. If
you have discards then I don't think you will be able to get what you
want from Sailwave.

If you have a minimum number of races then you should be able to get
what you want using a "qualification profile." That needs to be enabled
under "Setup|User Interface."

Art

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On 5/5/2014 11:52 AM, garrettcoonrod@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello All,
  
We have adopted the low point average scoring system for our series
but I cannot figure out how to exclude results for boats that did not
come to the race. Per US Sailing boats that did not come to the
starting are shall not be scored. I have set the DNC code to be
average for all races not discarded and that works out to the correct
math in the end but people are confused when a DNC racer has a lower
average than someone who actually raced and it lowers their
"ranking". Long story short is their any way to have a racer who did
not compete not show up in our series results and have their overall
series score the average of all races they have competed in?
  
Thanks,
Garrett

[garrett_coonrod]

Thanks so much. That makes it much better.

We have no discards and boats must race 60% of races in order to qualify for the series.

Garrett Coonrod
Coonrod Construction
707-499-8774

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From: Art Engel artengel123@earthlink.net
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] using low point average scoring system for series

Garrett,

You can hide all DNCs when publishing (Publish|Results|Options, uncheck

“Include DNC results”). That should provide what you asked for.

For race results, my club wants to hide DNCs that didn’t enter the race

but show DNCs that entered. Therefore, we create a new code (say “DNCr”)

for DNCs that entered the race but didn’t come out. Then we hide DNCs

but the DNCr boats will show. (For series results, we show both by

enabling “Include DNC results”.) If you want to show some DNC boats but

not others then that is the way to approach it (we do post-processing so

“DNCr” gets converted to “DNC” in the final posted results so it looks

like we are publishing DNCs when we aren’t).

On a slightly different topic. Your “solution” to assign “average”

points for DNC should always work but only if you have no discards. If

you have discards then I don’t think you will be able to get what you

want from Sailwave.

If you have a minimum number of races then you should be able to get

what you want using a “qualification profile.” That needs to be enabled

under “Setup|User Interface.”

Art

On 5/5/2014 11:52 AM, garrettcoonrod@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello All,

We have adopted the low point average scoring system for our series

but I cannot figure out how to exclude results for boats that did not

come to the race. Per US Sailing boats that did not come to the

starting are shall not be scored. I have set the DNC code to be

average for all races not discarded and that works out to the correct

math in the end but people are confused when a DNC racer has a lower

average than someone who actually raced and it lowers their

“ranking”. Long story short is their any way to have a racer who did

not compete not show up in our series results and have their overall

series score the average of all races they have competed in?

Thanks,

Garrett

[Norm_Smit]

When I uncheck show DNC it doesn’t show the DNC for the individual races but does for the series. Is there something else I must do?

[Norm_Smit]

I’ve tried to turn off showing DNC as described. They don’t show up for the individual races published, but do in the series tabulation. Is there some way to hide DNC for the series?

[Sailwave]

Hi Norman,

The control for showing DNC is only for the Individual races

If you are publishing series results then you need to display DNC’s for the races that they didn’t compete.

If they didn’t compete in any races you can just mark them as excluded and you can hide excluded competitors

Jon

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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

On 22 May 2014 18:51, norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

When I uncheck show DNC it doesn’t show the DNC for the individual races but does for the series. Is there something else I must do?

[Norm_Smit]

Thanks. I’m trying to score low point average per US Sailing long series system. In that system you are not scored for DNC. I get the right answer using DNC as average of races excluding DNC. But, folks get confused seeing DNC as different average scores. I’m trying to not display them and have a blank in the series score table when a boat is DNC. Sounds like I can’t do that.

Norm

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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

On 22 May 2014 18:51, norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

When I uncheck show DNC it doesn’t show the DNC for the individual races but does for the series. Is there something else I must do?

[Sailwave]

But then the points wouldn’t add up to the total and they couldn’t verify their score - or am I misunderstanding the situation?

Jon

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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

On 22 May 2014 21:37, Norm Smit norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thanks. I’m trying to score low point average per US Sailing long series system. In that system you are not scored for DNC. I get the right answer using DNC as average of races excluding DNC. But, folks get confused seeing DNC as different average scores. I’m trying to not display them and have a blank in the series score table when a boat is DNC. Sounds like I can’t do that.

Norm

On May 22, 2014, at 12:15 PM, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Norman,

The control for showing DNC is only for the Individual races

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If you are publishing series results then you need to display DNC’s for the races that they didn’t compete.

If they didn’t compete in any races you can just mark them as excluded and you can hide excluded competitors

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

On 22 May 2014 18:51, norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

When I uncheck show DNC it doesn’t show the DNC for the individual races but does for the series. Is there something else I must do?

[Art_Engel2]

Sailwave cannot score the US Sailing low point average system by default
but you can mimic its effect in some circumstances.

The US Sailing low point average uses the average. We went through this
a while back. You can search the forum for messages from Garrett Coonrod
around May 5, 2014.

What Garrett did was to assign DNC to be average points of all
non-discarded race scores. That way the series math was correct. He had
no discards and his average method won't work if there are any discards.
Then, hide DNCs for individual races. They will still show in the series
results, as they should (and must). This probably WILL be slightly
confusing but the math will be correct (adding an infinite number of
average scores won't change the average as long as all races are used in
the average).

Interesting that hiding DNCs only hides them for individual results, not
the series results. I don't think I ever knew that and it is good to know.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to make it so Sailwave could score the
US Sailing low point average system. I suspect it would be fairly easy
to have a new series scoring option that was "average non-discarded,
non-DNC scores." The problem would be whether it could have different
numbers of discards for different boats depending on how many races they
sailed in. If the software code calculates the number of discards for a
fleet and then applies it to each boat in the fleet then it could be
difficult. If the software code looks at the number of scores for each
boat, one by one, then it might be a fairly simple change to have it
ignore DNC scores when counting. It all depends on how the underlying
code was originally written.

Art

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On 5/22/2014 1:47 PM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] wrote:

But then the points wouldn't add up to the total and they couldn't verify
their score - or am I misunderstanding the situation?

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"

On 22 May 2014 21:37, Norm Smit norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] < > sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks. I'm trying to score low point average per US Sailing long series
system. In that system you are not scored for DNC. I get the right answer
using DNC as average of races excluding DNC. But, folks get confused
seeing DNC as different average scores. I'm trying to not display them and
have a blank in the series score table when a boat is DNC. Sounds like I
can't do that.

Norm

On May 22, 2014, at 12:15 PM, "Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]" < >> sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Norman,

The control for showing DNC is only for the Individual races

<image.png>

If you are publishing series results then you need to display DNC's for
the races that they didn't compete.

If they didn't compete in any races you can just mark them as excluded
and you can hide excluded competitors

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"

On 22 May 2014 18:51, norman.smit@yahoo.com [sailwave] < >> sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When I uncheck show DNC it doesn't show the DNC for the individual races
but does for the series. Is there something else I must do?