Hi
I
saw from the Help pages that it is possible to enter the elapsed times of a race and get Sailwave to work out the results using PYs and alongside uaing NHCs. What I need to know is how you set up Sailwave to do this.
Bob Sparkes (Loch Lomond Sailing Club Results Officer)
Hi Bob -
What you need to use is the Aliasing feature. If you search the forum for Alias and you should also find a video on doing it.
There is also help on the Sailwave site
You might like to look at this https://www.sailwave.com/version-2-9-3-full-install-beta which describes some details about it when it was introduced.
Let me know if you need any more help
Jon
On 6 February 2018 at 22:00, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi
I
saw from the Help pages that it is possible to enter the elapsed times of a race and get Sailwave to work out the results using PYs and alongside uaing NHCs. What I need to know is how you set up Sailwave to do this.
Bob Sparkes (Loch Lomond Sailing Club Results Officer)
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Jon
I am not at all proficient at using Sailwave, I can just
about enter elapsed times and obtain a finishing order for a particular race series,
but a lot of what is possible in Sailwave is currently beyond my understanding.
I studied the video about aliasing (http://www.screencast.com/t/EAwpgCSBB)
and saw how to create two lots of results
for the same series of races. However, I could not follow what was happening thereafter.
I would like to get the results with the top half of the sheet showing the
results when calculated by RYA PY and the bottom half showing the results when
calculated by RYANHC (rather like ABCDE
ABCDE). When I followed the video method using our own results, it
produced a list where each competitor appeared twice (as AABBCCDDEE…). The
video itself showed another different ordering (something like ABABCDEFCDEF…).
How do I get the results ordered the way I want.
Secondly, how do I tell Sailwave to work out the results
with the top half scored by PY and the bottom half by NHC? I don’t think this
is shown on the video.
Regards
Bob Sparkes
Ok, I will try and answer some of your questions, but i am also learning…
First of all the way i have done this is to create two Fleets, so in your case one fleet with by associated PY rating and the other with the NHC rating.
You can create a Fleet by going to the Scoring System tab and Select New Fleet, it will create a new line for the Fleet and then you need to select it and Configure how you want the Fleet to be scored, depending on your system you may find that you have most of the option under the various tabs greyed out, if you do check that the Inherit box is unchecked it is usually on each tabbed page at the bottom.
Make sure that your boats are correctly linked to the right Fleet, of course one of those fleets will be the Alias of the main fleet.
When you select the Score series tab you will have options on how the to group the scores in your case it will be in groups and you select by Fleet.
What you can do now is to select the header of the Fleet Column and it should sort all entries into two specific Fleet Groups, then with CTRL pressed select the Total or Nett points column and it should list the results by fleet best result first in the Fleet. ie two levels of sort Fleet and then best result.
Hope this makes some sense.
John Q
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct
a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to
RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When
I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7.
Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as
it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I
should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob
If you Press F6 then R you will see the ratings that are used for each race.
With NHC the ratings will change after each race.
The reason it needs an extra race is that it will store the new rating in that race ready for the race. It may be that there are no more races in the series but that won’t matter because when you publish the results it will only publish the results for the races that have taken place (unless you ask it to publish all)
Additionally this race now holds the ratings for the next series - so all you do is make a copy of the file and delete the races that have taken part. Now your extra race at the end of the series is now Race 1 of the new series and it will hold all the ratings to be used.
Regards
Jon
On 7 February 2018 at 14:33, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct
a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to
RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When
I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7.
Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as
it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I
should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Jon
Thank you for this info. I’m beginning to see what is going
on at last. I note that the NHC of a boat changes after every race and you
explain how to carry the adjusted ratings from one series to the next, but we
don’t run our races like that, We have four separate series which are
intertwined (namely Saturday Points, Saturday Islands, Sunday Points, Sunday
Islands) so I don’t see how the carry-over can be done. In any case, I don’t
believe our Club members would agree to their NHC handicaps changing from one
race to the next. They want a fixed handicap that they can use to determine how
far ahead they need to be to ensure that they are still in the lead or, in some
cases, where they are sufficiently close to a faster boat to be likely to beat
it on handicap.
Is there a method of keeping the NHC rating fixed for, say,
6 races, and then updating the rating from these races, which could then be
applied to the next 6 races?
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob
If you Press F6 then R you will see the ratings that are used for each race.
With NHC the ratings will change after each race.
The reason it needs an extra race is that it will store the new rating in that race ready for the race. It may be that there are no more races in the series but that won’t matter because when you publish the results it will only publish the results for the races that have taken place (unless you ask it to publish all)
Additionally this race now holds the ratings for the next series - so all you do is make a copy of the file and delete the races that have taken part. Now your extra race at the end of the series is now Race 1 of the new series and it will hold all the ratings to be used.
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 15:18, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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On 7 February 2018 at 14:33, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct
a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to
RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When
I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7.
Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as
it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I
should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob,
The Specification for NHC is that the rating is recalculated after each race. It is not possible for the rating to stay the same (Please see the NHC specification on the RYA website). But the rating for the next race is available as soon as the results are entered.
The recommendation is each type of series is normally kept separate. So say you have a Wednesday evening series and a Sunday series these are scored separately. The thinking behind this is that an evening series will often have different crew and also wind condition are lighter in the evenings, and often the course is different or shorter, to which different classes perform differently.
At the end of a Sunday series the handicap at the end of the series is then used for the handicap for the start of the next series. Which is were the process I described previously comes in.
Hope that helps
Regards
Jon
On 7 February 2018 at 16:06, Robert Sparkes bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon
Thank you for this info. I’m beginning to see what is going
on at last. I note that the NHC of a boat changes after every race and you
explain how to carry the adjusted ratings from one series to the next, but we
don’t run our races like that, We have four separate series which are
intertwined (namely Saturday Points, Saturday Islands, Sunday Points, Sunday
Islands) so I don’t see how the carry-over can be done. In any case, I don’t
believe our Club members would agree to their NHC handicaps changing from one
race to the next. They want a fixed handicap that they can use to determine how
far ahead they need to be to ensure that they are still in the lead or, in some
cases, where they are sufficiently close to a faster boat to be likely to beat
it on handicap.
Is there a method of keeping the NHC rating fixed for, say,
6 races, and then updating the rating from these races, which could then be
applied to the next 6 races?
Regards
Bob
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 15:18, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Bob
If you Press F6 then R you will see the ratings that are used for each race.
With NHC the ratings will change after each race.
The reason it needs an extra race is that it will store the new rating in that race ready for the race. It may be that there are no more races in the series but that won’t matter because when you publish the results it will only publish the results for the races that have taken place (unless you ask it to publish all)
Additionally this race now holds the ratings for the next series - so all you do is make a copy of the file and delete the races that have taken part. Now your extra race at the end of the series is now Race 1 of the new series and it will hold all the ratings to be used.
Regards
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 February 2018 at 14:33, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct
a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to
RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When
I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7.
Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as
it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I
should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
Thank you Jon, but I doubt if our Club members will like it!
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob,
The Specification for NHC is that the rating is recalculated after each race. It is not possible for the rating to stay the same (Please see the NHC specification on the RYA website). But the rating for the next race is available as soon as the results are entered.
The recommendation is each type of series is normally kept separate. So say you have a Wednesday evening series and a Sunday series these are scored separately. The thinking behind this is that an evening series will often have different crew and also wind condition are lighter in the evenings, and often the course is different or shorter, to which different classes perform differently.
At the end of a Sunday series the handicap at the end of the series is then used for the handicap for the start of the next series. Which is were the process I described previously comes in.
Hope that helps
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 16:35, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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On 7 February 2018 at 16:06, Robert Sparkes bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon
Thank you for this info. I’m beginning to see what is going
on at last. I note that the NHC of a boat changes after every race and you
explain how to carry the adjusted ratings from one series to the next, but we
don’t run our races like that, We have four separate series which are
intertwined (namely Saturday Points, Saturday Islands, Sunday Points, Sunday
Islands) so I don’t see how the carry-over can be done. In any case, I don’t
believe our Club members would agree to their NHC handicaps changing from one
race to the next. They want a fixed handicap that they can use to determine how
far ahead they need to be to ensure that they are still in the lead or, in some
cases, where they are sufficiently close to a faster boat to be likely to beat
it on handicap.
Is there a method of keeping the NHC rating fixed for, say,
6 races, and then updating the rating from these races, which could then be
applied to the next 6 races?
Regards
Bob
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 15:18, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Bob
If you Press F6 then R you will see the ratings that are used for each race.
With NHC the ratings will change after each race.
The reason it needs an extra race is that it will store the new rating in that race ready for the race. It may be that there are no more races in the series but that won’t matter because when you publish the results it will only publish the results for the races that have taken place (unless you ask it to publish all)
Additionally this race now holds the ratings for the next series - so all you do is make a copy of the file and delete the races that have taken part. Now your extra race at the end of the series is now Race 1 of the new series and it will hold all the ratings to be used.
Regards
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 February 2018 at 14:33, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct
a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to
RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When
I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7.
Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as
it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I
should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob,
You could try creating a 2nd Alias that uses the rating system you want to use and manually adjust the default rating for the series which you will be the NHC value from the last series. Do not publish the NHC results.
That way the rating will remain the same for the series.
Regards JohnL.
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2018 5:39 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Using PY and NHC at the same time
Thank you Jon, but I doubt if our Club members will like it!
Regards
Bob
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 16:35, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Bob,
The Specification for NHC is that the rating is recalculated after each race. It is not possible for the rating to stay the same (Please see the NHC specification on the RYA website). But the rating for the next race is available as soon as the results are entered.
The recommendation is each type of series is normally kept separate. So say you have a Wednesday evening series and a Sunday series these are scored separately. The thinking behind this is that an evening series will often have different crew and also wind condition are lighter in the evenings, and often the course is different or shorter, to which different classes perform differently…
At the end of a Sunday series the handicap at the end of the series is then used for the handicap for the start of the next series. Which is were the process I described previously comes in.
Hope that helps
Regards
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 February 2018 at 16:06, Robert Sparkes bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon
Thank you for this info. I’m beginning to see what is going on at last. I note that the NHC of a boat changes after every race and you explain how to carry the adjusted ratings from one series to the next, but we don’t run our races like that, We have four separate series which are intertwined (namely Saturday Points, Saturday Islands, Sunday Points, Sunday Islands) so I don’t see how the carry-over can be done. In any case, I don’t believe our Club members would agree to their NHC handicaps changing from one race to the next. They want a fixed handicap that they can use to determine how far ahead they need to be to ensure that they are still in the lead or, in some cases, where they are sufficiently close to a faster boat to be likely to beat it on handicap.
Is there a method of keeping the NHC rating fixed for, say, 6 races, and then updating the rating from these races, which could then be applied to the next 6 races?
Regards
Bob
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018, 15:18, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Bob
If you Press F6 then R you will see the ratings that are used for each race.
With NHC the ratings will change after each race.
The reason it needs an extra race is that it will store the new rating in that race ready for the race. It may be that there are no more races in the series but that won’t matter because when you publish the results it will only publish the results for the races that have taken place (unless you ask it to publish all)
Additionally this race now holds the ratings for the next series - so all you do is make a copy of the file and delete the races that have taken part. Now your extra race at the end of the series is now Race 1 of the new series and it will hold all the ratings to be used.
Regards
Jon
Sent with Mailtrack
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 February 2018 at 14:33, bobsparkes@btinternet.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi John and Jon
Thank you both for all your help. I’ve now been able to construct a Sailwave file where the top half is called PY (with the rating system set to RYA PY) and the lower half is an alias of the upper half called NHC (with the rating system set to RYA NHC). When I did a “Rescore” treating the two halves as separate, I first got the Sailwave message:
“Only 6 races in the series unable to set ratings for 7. Please add a blank race.”
I did this and found that the “Rescore” then did exactly as it should (even if the results do look a bit odd with the blank column!). Is this what should happen or is there something else I should be doing?
Regards
Bob
Jon,
I use Windows 10 on a MAC with Virtualisation software, seems to work fine, however i cannot get the F6 and R option to work, to be clear you say F6 then R (i assume upper case R) and i have also tried F6 with R and nothing.
Thanks
John W
Ok
Just realised Parallels software (virtualisation) had reserved F6 for a special function , so sorted that now
Thanks
John W