Ver 1.77 - struggling with grouping and starts

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Hi all,
I'm etting things up for our junior race week next week, and am
having trouble with v1.77 and starts/grouping.

(I'm PRO for the week, and will be delegating results to someone
else, and therefore want it set up in advance, so the 'results bod'
can get on with it while I'm 'doing other things'!)

We will be running racing for Fevas, Laser 4.7s, Laser Radials,
Picos, and Toppers.

If there are enough of a class (in the SIs, 4 of a class), then we
will be awarding prizes for results within that class, otherwise
classes will be handicapped.

How can I set Sailwave up to score this? I'm sure I should be able
to set things up so that we just enter elapsed times for boats, and
Sailwave 'sorts it out'!

It seems to me that I still need to use fleets, but the
grouping/scoring under 1.77 look like I should be able to do it
without fleets.

I would like to be able to see the overall handicap results, and
also positions within each class. Is this possible?

Two other, related, queries:
I don't seem to be able to change the grouping in the scoring system.

I also cannot delete a scoring system - I've ended up with "Copy of
Score everybody as one group", but cannot delete it.
Thanks,

James

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Hi James,

(But hopefully generally useful to everybody)

To keep things as flexible as possible I agree it's best to record elapsed
times or start/finish times and avoid places, once you record places, you
limit your scoring options.

There is no concept of fleets as a special entity in Sailwave anymore; it's
just a field like any other, but it's a useful field to diffentiate groups
of competitors for scoring purposes, which you may or may not informally
call "fleets".

It looks like you'll be sailing everybody in a single start; Sailwave
automatically adds one start to each race called "All competitors" so that
should be OK, but you need to make sure that the finishing method in each
start is elapsed times. If the boats are sailing in more than one start you
can add more starts, but if your recording elapsed times directly, you can
get away without them. The starts mainly just help Sailwave give you the
next start time or place when entering results - not needed for elapsed
times. Note that when creating starts initially, Sailwave copies the
finishing method defined in Setup+SeriesOptions.

Lets assume your going to group by the fleet field.

Add a scoring system called say "Score by fleet" and set the grouping field
to Fleet.

When now have 2 scoring systems, one called "score everybody as one group"
and one called" score by fleet" - having entered results you can apply one
and publish and then apply the other and publish. Note that a quicj way to
apply a scoing system is to right-click on the score button in the tool bar.

Download 1.78 for the delete scoring system fix (Thanks). I can't find a
problem with setting the grouping field - what's happening your end?

www.sailwave.com/binary/sw178.exe

NB: It's fun to score by other fields as well to get more out of one set of
results. For example if you have entered competitor Clubs you can score by
the Club field for fun (create another scoring system) - we did this sort of
thing recently and it was great - created all sorts of little
mini-competitions. Nationality is another obvious example, even within the
4 UK regious.

In general:-

� the starts in each race tell Sailwave how the boats sailed (so it can
help in the sailno wiz).
� the scoring systems tell Sailwave the various ways you want to score the
series.
� having entered the results, you can apply scoring systems and publish at
will.

Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Sent: 19 July 2005 00:15
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Ver 1.77 - struggling with grouping and starts

Hi all,
I'm etting things up for our junior race week next week, and am
having trouble with v1.77 and starts/grouping.

(I'm PRO for the week, and will be delegating results to someone
else, and therefore want it set up in advance, so the 'results bod'
can get on with it while I'm 'doing other things'!)

We will be running racing for Fevas, Laser 4.7s, Laser Radials,
Picos, and Toppers.

If there are enough of a class (in the SIs, 4 of a class), then we
will be awarding prizes for results within that class, otherwise
classes will be handicapped.

How can I set Sailwave up to score this? I'm sure I should be able
to set things up so that we just enter elapsed times for boats, and
Sailwave 'sorts it out'!

It seems to me that I still need to use fleets, but the
grouping/scoring under 1.77 look like I should be able to do it
without fleets.

I would like to be able to see the overall handicap results, and
also positions within each class. Is this possible?

Two other, related, queries:
I don't seem to be able to change the grouping in the scoring system.

I also cannot delete a scoring system - I've ended up with "Copy of
Score everybody as one group", but cannot delete it.
Thanks,

James

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Hi James,

(but hopefully generally useful)

With reference to my response:-

In general:-

� the starts in each race tell Sailwave how the boats sailed (so it can

help in the sailno wiz).

� the scoring systems tell Sailwave the various ways you want to score the

series.

� having entered the results, you can apply scoring systems and publish at

will.

It's important to reliase that the starts *do not* limit you to which fields
you can score by. For example if you entrered starts for each 'fleet' you
can still core by any other field. Sailwave will tell you of you're trying
to score by something that does not make sense; e.g. if you score by a field
but in the races the competitors have mixed places and elapsed times for
that field.

There is no direct link or coupling between starts and scoring systems. It
gives you massive flexibility when scoring; especially if you avoid places.
Note also that Sailwave can handle elapsed times or start/finish times when
used in flight racing.

If in doubt about starts, replicate exactly what happened on the water; if
there ware 2 starts on the water, add two starts in the race. Later you'll
see that you can in fact simplify in some cases, especially if recording
elapsed times directly.

Add a scoring system for each way you want to score the series; *don't* have
a single scoring system and releatedly tweak it in various ways.

The 'Series defaults' system is there for the other systems ot inherit
values from; it's anot a scoing system in it's own right - hance lack of
grouping tab.

Hope this helps.

NB: When I do the publishing overhaul there is now obvious scope for auto
publishing in a certain as part of applying a scoring system; which each
scoring system having it's own publishing method.

Colin
www.sailwave.com

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