This Beta Version is available for download from the Sailwave Website
It contains to additions
Team Scoring using Rank in addition to the existing Points
Quick set-up of Aliases - Full details on the Sailwave site. But it should make this feature much simpler and quicker to use.
Any testing of these features is appreciated
Jon
Jon,
Many thanks for the rapid turnaround and new beta version. The changes so far are a big improvement. I did have some suggestions that I think would further improve the functionality.
Below is a screen shot from an event in which we used aliases to produce the results for sub-fleets. The main fleet was Lido 14, the sub-fleets were Lido 14 A, Lido 14 B, Lido 14 Junior and Lido 14 Women. The Division indicates if they are A or B, the HelmAge Group Junior or Senior, HelmSex to determine Men and Women.
The “Create Alias of competitors” displays Fleet, Class, Sail No, Helm and Crew. When creating sub-fleets based upon other columns such as Division, HelmAgeGroup, HelmSex, etc. it is difficult to determine which competitors to include in a sub-fleet. Also after the aliases have been created you have to edit each alias to change the fleet from “Lido 14” to “Lido 14 Junior” etc.
Something similar to the “Set competitor field” where you could specify criteria to use to create the sub-fleet, such as HelmAgeGroup = “Junior” and which allows the value of a field to be changed in the alias, such as Fleet = “Lido 14 Junior” would be very useful. You could then create an entire sub-fleet in one action.
Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:49 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Version 2.7.2 - 2 New Features
This Beta Version is available for download from the Sailwave Website
It contains to additions
Team Scoring using Rank in addition to the existing Points
Quick set-up of Aliases - Full details on the Sailwave site. But it should make this feature much simpler and quicker to use.
Any testing of these features is appreciated
Jon
Hi Mark,
The Idea was that on the main screen you would do you first sort on Fleet and then on in your case for example HelmAgeGroup.
Place (hightlight) the screen on the line where the AgeGroup changes from Junior to Senior then press Ctl+Alt+n
All your Junior Division will be one side of the highlighted line as I’ve coded it to bring the Highlighted line to the same place.
Now you can use the block select using the shift and the mouse to create the whole sub-Fleet in one action.
Then use the set competitor Field to change your Fleet
Select Alias > 0 and for example HelmAgeGroup=Junior to set the Fleet to “Lido 14 Junior”
Does that work for you?
On another topic
I’ve just found a problem from 2.6.3 onwards (2.6.2 is OK) where it doesn’t save the Start info correctly (Something Colins done with his JSON mods). I’ve fixed it now so will be releasing another version tomorrow. Bit late to do it now as last night was a very late night.
Jon
On 1 December 2012 23:34, S Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com wrote:
Jon,
Many thanks for the rapid turnaround and new beta version. The changes so far are a big improvement. I did have some suggestions that I think would further improve the functionality.
Below is a screen shot from an event in which we used aliases to produce the results for sub-fleets. The main fleet was Lido 14, the sub-fleets were Lido 14 A, Lido 14 B, Lido 14 Junior and Lido 14 Women. The Division indicates if they are A or B, the HelmAge Group Junior or Senior, HelmSex to determine Men and Women.
The “Create Alias of competitors” displays Fleet, Class, Sail No, Helm and Crew. When creating sub-fleets based upon other columns such as Division, HelmAgeGroup, HelmSex, etc. it is difficult to determine which competitors to include in a sub-fleet. Also after the aliases have been created you have to edit each alias to change the fleet from “Lido 14” to “Lido 14 Junior” etc.
Something similar to the “Set competitor field” where you could specify criteria to use to create the sub-fleet, such as HelmAgeGroup = “Junior” and which allows the value of a field to be changed in the alias, such as Fleet = “Lido 14 Junior” would be very useful. You could then create an entire sub-fleet in one action.
Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JON
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:49 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Version 2.7.2 - 2 New Features
This Beta Version is available for download from the Sailwave Website
It contains to additions
- Team Scoring using Rank in addition to the existing Points
- Quick set-up of Aliases - Full details on the Sailwave site. But it should make this feature much simpler and quicker to use.
Any testing of these features is appreciated
Jon
–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Jon,
Aliasing works great! Now it's very easy and fast to create new aliases.
I played with the second modified feature "Team Prize". With this I still have some problems. Using scored files of the last season I see no difference in the published table, between choosing "nett points" or "rank".
The feature does not work with "high point" scored series. With high point scored series I would expect a difference in choosing "nett points" or "rank". But even so I get the same result (from the last placed competitors with less points). May be, that I have some wrong settings ...
In our sailing area we have team prizes for the club with the best competitors of every fleet or division in a series. (e.g. the best of every club (one) per fleet). Is there a possibility to express such conditions?
From the comments of other Sailwave-users I have seen that I'm not on my own using pursuit starts. Have You thought to insert a funktion to calculate different start times pending on a postulated finish time in some future? That might be challenging, because there must be a field for the rating of the slowest boat and a field for the postulated racing time of this boat.
Cheers
Christof
Hi Christof,
Thanks for testing the aliases,
Just checked the Publish - Team Prize again and it seems to work OK to me.
This was a feature request for the RYA Team 15 windsurfing because they score based on Rank
I had 4 Clubs in my series and asked it to publish the team prize by Club using Rank I get:-
And using scored points I get:-
In this case the Ranking is the same but it may not always be as you can see the points are different
Agree it won’t work for High Point scoring if you are using scored points but may be OK if you use rank.
For the Pursuit racing once I have finished my list of changes to Sailwave one of which is to tightly link Sailwave and my other programs, then I can start adding some Add-on Programs to handle the features such as Grand-Prix finishes, Personal Handicaps and your pursuit race. I think these would work well as separate add on programs that are integrated with Sailwave, so we don’t make Sailwave too specialized but has the flexibility to handle these other cases.
As for your team racing with team prizes for the club with the best competitors of every fleet or division in a series. I can’t see how you can currently do that within Sailwave although I did write a special program that does that sort of thing for the “Eric Twiname Championships” last year which calculated all the team prizes. Class racing was one Sailwave file per class and this program read the sailwave files and published the Team results based on rules of the NoR. It is semi configurable but not fully. You can see the results of the output at www.sailingresults.co.uk I Think it worked well and I guess the organisers did as I have been asked to do the same this year.
Jon
On 2 December 2012 14:01, paulesgps paulesgps@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Aliasing works great! Now it’s very easy and fast to create new aliases.
I played with the second modified feature “Team Prize”. With this I still have some problems. Using scored files of the last season I see no difference in the published table, between choosing “nett points” or “rank”.
The feature does not work with “high point” scored series. With high point scored series I would expect a difference in choosing “nett points” or “rank”. But even so I get the same result (from the last placed competitors with less points). May be, that I have some wrong settings …
In our sailing area we have team prizes for the club with the best competitors of every fleet or division in a series. (e.g. the best of every club (one) per fleet). Is there a possibility to express such conditions?
From the comments of other Sailwave-users I have seen that I’m not on my own using pursuit starts. Have You thought to insert a funktion to calculate different start times pending on a postulated finish time in some future? That might be challenging, because there must be a field for the rating of the slowest boat and a field for the postulated racing time of this boat.
Cheers
Christof
–
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Could this possibly be a first tentative step towards developing Sailwave for team racing. A long awaited development!
At present the only scoring programme that seems to do team racing is Sail 100 - which only works on Excel, so cannot be used by us cheapskates who use OpenOffice.
Looking forward to a rosy future when Sailwave can handle Swiss League!
Gordon
On 02/12/2012 14:52, Jon Eskdale wrote:
Hi Christof,
Thanks for testing the aliases,
Just checked the Publish - Team Prize again and it seems to work OK to me.
This was a feature request for the RYA Team 15 windsurfing because they score based on Rank
I had 4 Clubs in my series and asked it to publish the team prize by Club using Rank I get:-Inline images 1
And using scored points I get:-
Inline images 2In this case the Ranking is the same but it may not always be as you can see the points are different
Agree it won't work for High Point scoring if you are using scored points but may be OK if you use rank.
For the Pursuit racing once I have finished my list of changes to Sailwave one of which is to tightly link Sailwave and my other programs, then I can start adding some Add-on Programs to handle the features such as Grand-Prix finishes, Personal Handicaps and your pursuit race. I think these would work well as separate add on programs that are integrated with Sailwave, so we don't make Sailwave too specialized but has the flexibility to handle these other cases.
As for your team racing with team prizes for the club with the best competitors of every fleet or division in a series. I can't see how you can currently do that within Sailwave although I did write a special program that does that sort of thing for the "Eric Twiname Championships" last year which calculated all the team prizes. Class racing was one Sailwave file per class and this program read the sailwave files and published the Team results based on rules of the NoR. It is semi configurable but not fully. You can see the results of the output at www.sailingresults.co.uk <http://www.sailingresults.co.uk> I Think it worked well and I guess the organisers did as I have been asked to do the same this year.
Jon
On 2 December 2012 14:01, paulesgps <paulesgps@yahoo.com > <mailto:paulesgps@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Jon,
Aliasing works great! Now it's very easy and fast to create new
aliases.I played with the second modified feature "Team Prize". With this
I still have some problems. Using scored files of the last season
I see no difference in the published table, between choosing "nett
points" or "rank".
The feature does not work with "high point" scored series. With
high point scored series I would expect a difference in choosing
"nett points" or "rank". But even so I get the same result (from
the last placed competitors with less points). May be, that I have
some wrong settings ...
In our sailing area we have team prizes for the club with the best
competitors of every fleet or division in a series. (e.g. the best
of every club (one) per fleet). Is there a possibility to express
such conditions?>From the comments of other Sailwave-users I have seen that I'm
not on my own using pursuit starts. Have You thought to insert a
funktion to calculate different start times pending on a
postulated finish time in some future? That might be challenging,
because there must be a field for the rating of the slowest boat
and a field for the postulated racing time of this boat.Cheers
Christof
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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"