How do you configure Sailwave to break ties as per Appendix B WCR A8? The Windsurfing Competition Rules tie breaker is significant different from the standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter van Muyden
Peter,
Need to 'switch on' non-standard tie break rules under Set-up | User
interface.
Kind regards,
Huw
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On 06/08/15 22:12, Peter van Muyden
[sailwave] wrote:
How do you configure Sailwave to break tiesas per Appendix B WCR A8? The Windsurfing Competition
Rules tie breaker is significant different from the
standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter van Muyden
Hi Peter
Make sure you have the Non-standrd series tie options ticked in the Setup User interface
You will then see additional options in the scoring system - select the last one for who had the best discards - see below
Regards
Jon
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On 6 August 2015 at 22:12, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
How do you configure Sailwave to break ties as per Appendix B WCR A8? The Windsurfing Competition Rules tie breaker is significant different from the standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter van Muyden
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your quick reply. I selected the non-standard tie breaker, but it looks like that order is incorrect. Here is the screen capture:
There is no Appendix B 8.8, that option should be Appendix B A8.1. I’ve not tested it,but it looks to me that the tie breaker order is incorrect.
Cheers,
Peter
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Peter
Make sure you have the Non-standrd series tie options ticked in the Setup User interface
You will then see additional options in the scoring system - select the last one for who had the best discards - see below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 6 August 2015 at 22:12, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
How do you configure Sailwave to break ties as per Appendix B WCR A8? The Windsurfing Competition Rules tie breaker is significant different from the standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter van Muyden
Hi Peter,
I have always considered these to just be selection boxes and not
infer an order, although I can see that could be inferred. Jon will
know better than I do especially as he does a lot of scoring for
Sailboard events; he recently came back from scoring the Techno
Europeans in Latvia. Following this event he has some ideas for
Sailwave enhancements!
The text alongside the last option was probably overlooked when the
2013-2016 RRS were issued, Jon will know better.
Kind regards,
Huw
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> Hi Jon,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply. I selected the non-standard tie
> breaker, but it looks like that order is incorrect. Here is
the
> screen capture: Inline image 1
>
> There is no Appendix B 8.8, that option should be Appendix B
A8.1.
> I've not tested it,but it looks to me that the tie breaker
order is
> incorrect.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Jon Eskdale > [sailwave]
< > > wrote:
Hi Peter
Make sure you have the Non-standrd series tie options ticked
in the > Setup User interfaceInline images 1
You will then see additional options in the scoring system -
select > the last one for who had the best discards - see belowInline images 2
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale 07530 112233 Skype “eskdale”
On 6 August 2015 at 22:12, Peter van Muyden
[sailwave]
< > > wrote:How do you configure Sailwave to break ties as per Appendix B
WCR
A8? The Windsurfing Competition Rules tie breaker is
significant > different from the standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.Regards, Peter van Muyden
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"Peter van Muyden" ha scritto:
There is no Appendix B 8.8, that option should be Appendix B A8.1.
THE RACING RULES OF SAILING
for 2009 - 2012
...
B8.8 Series Ties
Hi Peter.
Taken from the latest Windsurfing Competition Rules from ISAF web site.
It still refers to Series Ties as B8.8 - I do admit that the numbering is very confusing though.
The Tool tip does specify that this rule is applied first
So I think its all OK although it is confusing I agree.
Just to make it more confusing although these tie breaks are used at most international windsurfing events, this is not always the case and you have to read the NoR and SI’s to be clear. The UK Windsurfing association don’t use these tie breaks they use the standard sailing ones.
Jon
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On 6 August 2015 at 22:33, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your quick reply. I selected the non-standard tie breaker, but it looks like that order is incorrect. Here is the screen capture:
There is no Appendix B 8.8, that option should be Appendix B A8.1. I’ve not tested it,but it looks to me that the tie breaker order is incorrect.
Cheers,
Peter
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Peter
Make sure you have the Non-standrd series tie options ticked in the Setup User interface
You will then see additional options in the scoring system - select the last one for who had the best discards - see below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 6 August 2015 at 22:12, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
How do you configure Sailwave to break ties as per Appendix B WCR A8? The Windsurfing Competition Rules tie breaker is significant different from the standard Appendix A8 tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter van Muyden
Hi Peter, Jon & Cataldo,
Having just had a look round the ISAF web site after using Google to
see what ISAF have, I think that there is the possibility of
confusion.
The information Jon reproduced below is from the 2009-2012 version
(-[8963].pdf)
and I cannot find a more up to date specific version of the
Windsurfing competition Rules, so I think they have been superseded
by ISAF RRS 2013-2016. This is the text from the page in the
aforementioned link after the pages of flag signals:
The latest ISAF RRS 2013-2016
(-[13376].pdf)
has in Appendix B several paragraphs on scoring depending on the
competition format, but for ‘traditional’ round the buoys racing I
think the following from Appendix B page #57/58 (pdf page 61/62) is
what applies:
I am happy to be corrected in my thinking and interpretation.
Kind regards,
Huw
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http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/20092012WindsurfingCompetitionRules2010
THERACING RULES
OF
SAILING
for 2009–2012*
* WINDSURFING
COMPETITION RULES
for 2009–2012*
* International Sailing Federation*
* International Windsurfing
Association*
http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/ISAFRRS20132016Final
B8 CHANGES TOAPPENDIX A* * A1 NUMBER OF RACES;
OVERALL SCORES* Rule A1 is changed to: * The number of races
scheduled and the number
required to be* * completed
to constitute a series shall
be stated in the sailing* * instructions. If an event
includes more than one
discipline or* * format,
the sailing instructions shall
state how the overall* * scores
are to be calculated.* * Appendix B WINDSURFING
COMPETITION RULES* ** A2 SERIES SCORES Rule A2 is changed to: * Each board’s series score
shall be the total of her race
scores* * excluding
her* * (a) worst score when from
5 to 11 races have been* completed, or * (b) two worst scores when
12 or more races have been* completed. * (The sailing instructions
may make a different
arrangement. A* * race
is completed if scored; see
rule 90.3(a).) If a board has* * two or more equal worst
scores, the score(s) for the
race(s)* * sailed
earliest in the series shall
be excluded. The board with* * the
lowest series score wins and
others shall be ranked* accordingly. A8 SERIES TIES Rule A8 is changed to: * A8.1 If there is a
series-score tie between two
or more boards, they* * shall
be ranked in order of their
best excluded race score.* * A8.2 If a tie remains
between two or more boards,
each board’s race* * scores,
including excluded scores,
shall be listed in order of* * best to worst, and at the
first point(s) where there is
a* * difference
the tie shall be broken in
favour of the board(s) with* * the best score(s). These
scores shall be used even if
some of* * them are
excluded scores.* * A8.3 If a tie still
remains between two or more
boards, they shall be* * ranked
in order of their scores in
the last race. Any remaining* * ties shall be broken by
using the tied boards’ scores
in the nextto-last* * race
and so on until all ties are
broken. These scores* * shall
be used even if some of them
are excluded scores*
On 07/08/15 00:21, Jon Eskdale
[sailwave] wrote:
Hi Peter.
Taken from the latest Windsurfing Competition Rulesfrom ISAF web site.
It still refers to Series Ties as B8.8 - I do admitthat the numbering is very confusing though.
The Tool tip does specify that this rule is appliedfirst
So I think its all OK although it is confusing Iagree.
Just to make it more confusing although these tiebreaks are used at most international windsurfing
events, this is not always the case and you have to read
the NoR and SI’s to be clear. The UK Windsurfing
association don’t use these tie breaks they use the
standard sailing ones.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
On 6 August 2015 at 22:33, Petervan Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
[sailwave] <>
wrote:Hi Jon,
Thanks for your quick reply. Iselected the non-standard tie breaker, but
it looks like that order is incorrect.
Here is the screen capture:
There is no Appendix B 8.8, thatoption should be Appendix B A8.1. I’ve
not tested it,but it looks to me that the
tie breaker order is incorrect.
Cheers,
Peter
On Thu, Aug 6,2015 at 3:29 PM, Jon Eskdale
[sailwave] wrote:
jon@sailwave.com
sailwave@yahoogroups.comjon@sailwave.com<>sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Hi Peter
Make sure you have theNon-standrd series tie
options ticked in the
Setup User interface
You will then seeadditional options in the
scoring system - select
the last one for who had
the best discards - see
below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07530
112233
Skype “eskdale”
On6 August 2015 at
22:12, Peter van
Muyden
[sailwave] wrote:
pvanmuyden@gmail.com<>sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Howdo you
configure
Sailwave to
break ties as
per Appendix B
WCR A8? The
Windsurfing
Competition
Rules tie
breaker is
significant
different from
the standard
Appendix A8
tie breaker.
Regards,
Peter vanMuyden