Youth Nats

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Huw,

Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Points carried forward would be useful, where at the end of qualification they carry points over to race 1 of a final series.

Mike

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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

Other than a “carried forward points” field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Mike, Yes, the idea was to be able to point at another series and import either the net/total or positions as carried fwd points. Q/F that really are busted up into two mini events with separate discard profiles etc are easier managed as two series I’ve found. Unlike Add C which floats the discards across Q/F at all times.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:12
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Points carried forward would be useful, where at the end of qualification they carry points over to race 1 of a final series.

Mike

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From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Have done this for 49er Worlds an it will be done at SB3 Europeans.

Mike

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:25 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Mike, Yes, the idea was to be able to point at another series and import either the net/total or positions as carried fwd points. Q/F that really are busted up into two mini events with separate discard profiles etc are easier managed as two series I’ve found. Unlike Add C which floats the discards across Q/F at all times.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:12
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Points carried forward would be useful, where at the end of qualification they carry points over to race 1 of a final series.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

  Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
  can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
  would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

  Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Will get it done for ‘you’ by then.

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 23 May 2007 11:40
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Have done this for 49er Worlds an it will be done at SB3 Europeans.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:25 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Mike, Yes, the idea was to be able to point at another series and import either the net/total or positions as carried fwd points.  Q/F that really are busted up into two mini events with separate discard profiles etc are easier managed as two series I've found.  Unlike Add C which floats the discards across Q/F at all times.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:12
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Youth Nats

  Points carried forward would be useful, where at the end of qualification they carry points over to race 1 of a final series.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

    Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
    can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
    would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

    Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Colin,

I will dig out my notes and see if there was anything else.

Kind regards,

Huw

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

Other than a “carried forward points” field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Colin,

There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

Other than a “carried forward points” field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Colin and others interested,

As promised I have point my notes into a more expanded form and I have attached them in Adobe PDF format.

I look forward to your and other Sailwave User Group members thoughts and comments.

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 07:50
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin,

There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Thanks Huw - I wish I’d never asked… :wink:

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 11:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin and others interested,

As promised I have point my notes into a more expanded form and I have attached them in Adobe PDF format.

I look forward to your and other Sailwave User Group members thoughts and comments.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 07:50
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin,

There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

  Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
  can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
  would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

  Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Hi Huw,

Can you just clarify/confirm that some of the race penalties were added to the ‘normal’ score rather then replaced it - i.e. boat comes 5th place - get 5 points - then maybe another 5 points for some penalty - giving a total of 10…?

NB: One other thing I remember is that when pubishing the number of sailed races included your dummy races which confused the parents.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 11:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin and others interested,

As promised I have point my notes into a more expanded form and I have attached them in Adobe PDF format.

I look forward to your and other Sailwave User Group members thoughts and comments.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 07:50
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin,

There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

  Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
  can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
  would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

  Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Hi Colin,

As far as I can interpret from the RS:X SI, some penalty points would be recorded per race and added to the final punts score and others would be added to the specific race score. Note though that I see a conflict in these SI.

My suggestion is first to provide an option to record one or more penalty infringements against a competitor and the facility to hold carried forward points, i.e. from a Qualifying Series to a Final Series. Also it would be brilliant if you could provide a mechanism to populate the field hold carried forward points automatically with a prompted option ranking position, net points or total points :wink:

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 24 May 2007 12:34
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Hi Huw,

Can you just clarify/confirm that some of the race penalties were added to the ‘normal’ score rather then replaced it - i.e. boat comes 5th place - get 5 points - then maybe another 5 points for some penalty - giving a total of 10…?

NB: One other thing I remember is that when pubishing the number of sailed races included your dummy races which confused the parents.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 11:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin and others interested,

As promised I have point my notes into a more expanded form and I have attached them in Adobe PDF format.

I look forward to your and other Sailwave User Group members thoughts and comments.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 07:50
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin,

  There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

  As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

  The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

    Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
    can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
    would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

    Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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Huw, sounds good Having been involved in some of thes Q/F events that do not confirm to Add C in that they really are two separate series I think they are also best modelled by two separate series as well. I intend to streamline the Add C stuff in Sailwave so its very easy to use but advise in the help on using two separate series otherwise. There is great simplicitly in Add C - its still just one series with multiples 1sts etc floating around - the bit at the end about scoring separately is a little confusing (does it mean rerank the Q places or leave them as they are) but in concept it’s a simple solution.

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 13:10
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Hi Colin,

As far as I can interpret from the RS:X SI, some penalty points would be recorded per race and added to the final punts score and others would be added to the specific race score. Note though that I see a conflict in these SI.

My suggestion is first to provide an option to record one or more penalty infringements against a competitor and the facility to hold carried forward points, i.e. from a Qualifying Series to a Final Series. Also it would be brilliant if you could provide a mechanism to populate the field hold carried forward points automatically with a prompted option ranking position, net points or total points :wink:

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 24 May 2007 12:34
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Hi Huw,

Can you just clarify/confirm that some of the race penalties were *added* to the 'normal' score rather then replaced it - i.e. boat comes 5th place - get 5 points - then maybe another 5 points for some penalty - giving a total of 10...? 

NB: One other thing I remember is that when pubishing the number of sailed races included your dummy races which confused the parents.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 11:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin and others interested,

  As promised I have point my notes into a more expanded form and I have attached them in Adobe PDF format.

  I look forward to your and other Sailwave User Group members thoughts and comments.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Huw Pearce
Sent: 24 May 2007 07:50
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Colin,

    There are two things I picked up at the Youth Nats. I will write my notes more lucidly (hopefully) and post later today.

    As you have already remembered Carried forward points is one, but I have some comments.

    The other is about competitors being given non-discardable points for infractions that are not related to race points, e.g. not Tallying properly, not flying National Flag.

Will expand on these in posting later today.

Kind regards,

Huw

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 23 May 2007 10:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Youth Nats

Huw,

      Other than a "carried forward points" field in the competitor records that
      can optionally be included in series scores, what else did you discover
      would be useful after the Youth Nats. I cant remember anything else.

      Posted on SUG un case anybody else was there.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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